Welcome to the official podcast of Grand Canyon Law Group—Arizona’s premier dedicated criminal defense firm. Hosted by founding attorneys David Lish and Ryan McPhie, this show goes beyond the courtroom.
Each episode explores real criminal cases, legal outcomes, and the stories behind the charges—from DUI to domestic violence, assault to white collar crimes. As former prosecutors turned fierce defense attorneys, David and Ryan bring unmatched insight, candid conversation, and a touch of grit.
But it's not all law and order—we’ll also share hidden gems across Arizona, local legends, interviews with community voices, and the secret spots we love when we're off the clock.
Whether you're navigating the justice system, curious about the truth behind high-stakes cases, or just want to hear two Arizona attorneys shoot straight—this podcast has you covered.
The Drunken Confession That Caught The Phoenix Serial Shooters
For over a year, two men turned the Phoenix Valley into a shooting gallery. The killings were random, the weapons kept changing, and police were already hunting one serial killer when they realized a second pair of shooters was operating at the same time. The break came from the last place anyone expected: a bar stool confession after too many drinks.
David and Ryan break down the full Phoenix Serial Shooters case, from the investigation to the trial to the appeal. You'll hear how an emergency wiretap caught Dale Hausner and Sam Dietman on tape mocking their own victims, why the prosecutor's plea deal structure was a masterclass in trial strategy, and what happened when Hausner told the judge to skip mitigation and just give him death. If you lived in the Valley during 2005 and 2006, this one hits different.
Topics discussed:
00:00 - Introduction
01:06 - Two serial killers terrorizing Phoenix at the same time
01:53 - How the killings started and escalated
04:48 - The drunken confession that broke the case
09:00 - The emergency wiretap and what police heard
17:02 - The trial: 88 counts and the verdict
19:48 - Dietman's plea deal and a brilliant prosecution move
26:00 - Hausner waives mitigation and asks for death
33:06 - The appeal: was the wiretap legal?
37:00 - The ethics of defending the indefensible
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9 Jun 2026
The Secret Recording That Solved a 12-Year-Old Car Bomb Murder
Gary Triano finished a round of golf at La Paloma, got in his car, and it blew up. It was his birthday. The bomb was remotely detonated, meaning someone was watching. What looked like a mob hit turned into something far more personal. His ex-wife Pamela Phillips was a state away in Colorado with what seemed like a perfect alibi, but a separate fraud investigation connected her to a co-conspirator named Ron Young, and what investigators found in his van blew the case wide open.
David Lish and Ryan McPhie break down how microcassette recordings, hotel receipts, and a $2 million life insurance policy built a purely circumstantial case that held up through two separate trials. You'll hear how competency proceedings nearly derailed everything, why the defense pointed the finger at mob associates and angry investors, how Austria's extradition conditions took the death penalty off the table, and what the recorded phone calls actually prove.
Topics discussed:
00:00 - Introduction
01:53 - Who was Gary Triano?
02:43 - The debts, the enemies, and the mob connections
04:48 - The car bomb murder at La Paloma
06:04 - The device: a remotely detonated pipe bomb
07:07 - Too many suspects, no clear lead
08:07 - A fraud case in Colorado cracks everything open
10:32 - What they found in Ronald Young's van
11:37 - The $2 million life insurance policy
13:12 - Arrests: America's Most Wanted and a chase to Austria
15:24 - Extradition conditions and the death penalty exception
16:40 - Rule 11: competency to stand trial
22:36 - Third party culpability defense and its limits
27:44 - Circumstantial vs. direct evidence and burden of proof
34:42 - The recorded phone calls that sealed the case
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26 May 2026
The Love Triangle That Ended in Murder by Hammer
A husband is beaten with a hammer. His wife says an intruder did it. Then the story changes again… and again.
When police arrived at the home of Dale Harrell and Marissa Devault, they found Dale barely alive and Marissa covered in blood. What followed was one of Arizona’s most bizarre murder cases — a trial filled with conflicting stories, allegations of abuse, a suspicious attack on the defendant, a roommate with severe memory problems, and a secret relationship prosecutors claimed revealed the true motive.
In this episode, we break down the murder trial that drew constant comparisons to the Jodi Arias case. From the failed intruder defense to the prosecution’s “love triangle turned insurance scheme” theory, we analyze the evidence, trial strategy, witness credibility, and the legal issues that made this case unforgettable.
Topics discussed:
00:00 - Introduction
02:06 - The 911 call and the bloody crime scene
03:20 - Marissa’s self-defense and abuse claims
04:43 - The mysterious attack on Marissa after her release
07:36 - The multiple stories Marissa gave investigators
10:02 - The secret sugar daddy relationship revealed
13:01 - Media coverage and comparisons to Jodi Arias
17:15 - Problems with the self-defense argument
30:21 - The controversial testimony deal with Alan Flores
47:08 - Marissa’s interrogation and reenactment of the hammer attack
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12 May 2026
Every Lawyer in the Jodi Arias Trial Made Critical Mistakes
It was one of the most-watched trials in American history. Everyone knows the case, but almost no one knows what actually happened in the courtroom.
This episode takes you inside the 67-day Jodi Arias trial — the doomed defense strategy, the prosecutorial misconduct that led to a controversial appeal, and the media circus in and out of the courthouse. You'll hear behind-the-scenes stories and the kind of analysis only trial lawyers can give.
Topics discussed:
00:00 - Introduction
1:47 - Before the crime: Jodi and Travis’ relationship0
3:10 - The crime and the evidence0
8:30 - Jodi’s stories and claims of self-defense
10:41 - The jury verdict and sentencing
12:07 - The appeal: what went wrong at trial
15:45 - Did media coverage influence jurors?
27:03 - Defense strategy and how Jodi hurt her case
33:14 - Prosecutorial misconduct during the trial
44:15 - The duty of a prosecutor and rights of a defendant
47:31 - The Court of Appeals ruling
49:17 - Our verdict: was justice done?
26 Dec 2025
Evidence In Plain Sight: The Arizona V. Hicks Case
This episode analyzes Arizona v. Hicks, a pivotal Supreme Court case, clarifying the boundaries of the "plain view" doctrine and its implications for Fourth Amendment rights during police searches.
3 Dec 2025
Revenge Turned Massacre: The Richard Djerf Case
Attorneys examine the Richard Djerf case, dissecting how a thirst for revenge culminated in a devastating family massacre in Arizona, revealing the critical evidence.
19 Nov 2025
The Great Escape: The Tison Family Case
The Grand Canyon Criminal Defense podcast examines the Tison family's infamous prison escape and murders, revealing its impact on Arizona's felony-murder law.
17 Sept 2025
You Have The Right To Remain Silent - The Ernesto Miranda Case
This episode explores the landmark Ernesto Miranda case, detailing his arrest and the Supreme Court ruling that established Miranda Rights, which protect defendants' rights in U.S. courtrooms.
3 Sept 2025
Love, Lies And Murder - The Marjorie Orbin Case
Host [Host Name] explores the shocking murder case of Marjorie Ann Orbin, detailing her glamorous facade, betrayal, and conviction for killing her husband Jay Orbin.
20 Aug 2025
The Crackhead Killer - Cory Morris' Crimes and Convictions
Host [Host Name] explores the chilling case of serial killer Corey Morris, detailing his crimes, the investigation, and the conviction in this interview.
6 Aug 2025
Mercy or Murder? The Trial of Wendi Andriano
David Lish and Ryan McPhie dissect the Wendi Andriano murder trial, examining the evidence and emotional testimony surrounding the Phoenix woman's conviction for her husband's death.
23 Jul 2025
Escape Artist: Insanity And Disappearance
This episode explores the legal challenges and appeals faced by Winnie Ruth Judd after her murder conviction, revealing parallels and differences in the criminal justice system then and now.
9 Jul 2025
The Trunk Murders: Secrets In The Suitcases - Part 1: Unpacking The Crime
This episode explores the 1931 Trunk Murders in Arizona, dissecting the crime, evidence, and trial surrounding Winnie Ruth Judd, revealing shocking details of the infamous case.
25 Jun 2025
Murder in Prescott: The Trial That Gripped Arizona – The Steven DeMocker Case
Attorneys at Grand Canyon Law Group examine the Steven DeMocker murder trial, dissecting the circumstantial evidence and exploring its impact on the jury's decision in this interview episode.
11 Jun 2025
The Baseline Killer: Unmasking the Fear – Part 2: The Trial
This episode examines the complex legal battle, multiple trials, and scrutinized investigation surrounding the Baseline Killer case in Phoenix, reviewing the trial strategy, outcome, and public reaction.
28 May 2025
The Baseline Killer: Unmasking the Fear – Part 1: The Facts
This episode explores the chilling crimes of the Baseline Killer in Phoenix between 2005 and 2006, detailing the timeline of attacks and the city's rising panic.
7 May 2025
Trigger Point: Self Defense or Murder - The Harold Fish Story
The Harold Fish Case – A Fatal Hike in Arizona
In this gripping episode, we dive into one of Arizona’s most controversial self-defense cases: the 2004 shooting of Grant Kuenzli by retired schoolteacher Harold Fish.
What started as a peaceful solo hike in the Coconino National Forest turned deadly within minutes. Fish claimed he was forced to fire in self-defense after being charged by Kuenzli, who had aggressively confronted him—following a dispute over two unleashed dogs.
Fish was convicted of second-degree murder in 2006 and sentenced to a decade in prison. But years later, that conviction was overturned. What changed? And what does this case tell us about the justice system, gun rights, and the ever-blurry line between self-defense and excessive force?
In this episode, we explore:
The facts and timeline of the shooting
The prosecution's theory vs. the defense's strategy
The role of Kuenzli’s dogs—and their impact on the case
The trial, conviction, and the appeal that reversed it all
How this case helped reshape self-defense laws in Arizona
Was this truly a justified shooting? Or a deadly overreaction?
Tune in as we unpack the legal, moral, and societal implications of the Harold Fish case—and why it still sparks debate two decades later.
21 Apr 2025
The Sleepwalking Killer: Inside the Mind of Scott Falater
Would you believe someone could stab their spouse, drag them into a pool, and claim they were asleep the entire time?
In this episode, we unpack one of Arizona’s most bizarre and controversial murder cases: the trial of Scott Falater, also known as The Sleepwalking Killer.
Join Grand Canyon Law Group owners and seasoned defense attorneys Ryan McPhie and David Lish as they break down:
The shocking facts of the case and the eye-witness testimony
The defense’s argument of automatism and sleepwalking
Why Falater’s legal team argued the trial was unfair
The deeper ethical questions this case raises for defense attorneys
This isn't your average true crime podcast. We're digging into the courtroom strategy, jury dynamics, and legal principles that shaped the outcome — and whether justice was really served.
16 Apr 2025
Grand Canyon Law Group - Trailer
Welcome to the Grand Canyon Law Group Podcast
This is just the beginning! We’re excited to launch our official podcast, where we’ll dig into real cases, legal strategies, and the stories behind Arizona’s criminal justice system.
This teaser is just a preview—our first full episode drops Monday, April 21, 2025, at 8:00 AM.
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