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February 23, 2026
Doorbells Ring Hollow
<p>What on earth were Ring and Amazon thinking when they aired their Super Bowl advert that previewed a “there’s nowhere you can hide” type of dystopian future masked as a way to find your lost dog? With cameras everywhere, are we safer or just more exposed? When camera data is deleted, is it really gone (spoiler alert: not necessarily), and more. Are we approaching the new location of the “creepy line” or as a society are we content to trade privacy for security? And what happens when the glasses with cameras become more pervasive? Are we all on cam all the time whether we like it or not?</p><p>Show notes:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Ring Super Bowl Advert - <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/19/business/ring-super-bowl-ad-privacy.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/19/business/ring-super-bowl-ad-privacy.html</a> </li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Decoder Podcast - Let’s talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state - https://youtu.be/QQjW68B7s8g</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Ring and Flock cancel partnership - <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/13/amazons-ring-cancels-partnership-with-flock-a-network-of-ai-cameras-used-by-ice-feds-and-police/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/13/amazons-ring-cancels-partnership-with-flock-a-network-of-ai-cameras-used-by-ice-feds-and-police/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Savanna Guthrie Nest Video Retrieval - <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/877235/nancy-guthrie-google-nest-cam-video-storage" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theverge.com/tech/877235/nancy-guthrie-google-nest-cam-video-storage</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple San Bernardino Matter - <a href="https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>DJI robot vacuum cameras accessible via Internet - <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/879088/dji-romo-hack-vulnerability-remote-control-camera-access-mqtt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theverge.com/tech/879088/dji-romo-hack-vulnerability-remote-control-camera-access-mqtt</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Unifi protect cameras - <a href="https://geni.us/isNyY2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/isNyY2</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Zuck in court to testify on social media addiction - <a href="https://apnews.com/article/mark-zuckerberg-trial-testimony-instagram-c8cbaa32ccbf4933ec3a7beebd6cf34b" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/mark-zuckerberg-trial-testimony-instagram-c8cbaa32ccbf4933ec3a7beebd6cf34b</a> </li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Glassholes are back - and forbidden in court - <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-trial-mark-zuckerberg-ai-glasses/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-trial-mark-zuckerberg-ai-glasses/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Movie recommendation - Happy Gilmore - <a href="https://geni.us/v96XEgb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/v96XEgb</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Meta/Facebook studies on addictiveness of social media - <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/23/tech/facebook-researchers-study-addictive-features" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/23/tech/facebook-researchers-study-addictive-features</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn/Microsoft Verification data being shared with many others, including Persona -= <a href="https://thelocalstack.eu/posts/linkedin-identity-verification-privacy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://thelocalstack.eu/posts/linkedin-identity-verification-privacy/</a></li></ol><br/><p>Some of the links in the show notes contain affiliate links that may earn a commission should you choose to make a purchase using these links. Using these links supports The Great Security Debate and Distilling Security, so we appreciate it when you use them. We do not make our recommendations based on the availability or benefits of these affiliate links.</p>
February 9, 2026
Complacency in the Loop
<p>AI is growing in use within information security, but are we ready to trust it to do all the things we hope it can, and do so automatically without doing harm? Context is king, and training to that level is only possible when you give all your experience to the AI. What are the tradeoffs to doing so? What happens when we depend on AI and forget (or worse, never learn) the underpinnings of what makes the AI system work (remember the calculator debates of the 1980s?). And does the end justify the means when it comes to AI use? And what is that “ends” anyway? Efficiency, automation, knowledge? Erik, Dan, and Brian discuss it all in this week’s Great Security Debate!</p><p><strong>Show Notes</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Report on reasons Israel didn’t catch oct 7 attacks - <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/03/05/nx-s1-5318591/israel-shin-bet-security-failure-october-7-attack" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.npr.org/2025/03/05/nx-s1-5318591/israel-shin-bet-security-failure-october-7-attack</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Shin Bet Report - Source Doc (Hebrew) - <a href="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25551448-yqry-tkhqyr-shyrvt-hbytkhvn-hklly-710/#document/p1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25551448-yqry-tkhqyr-shyrvt-hbytkhvn-hklly-710/#document/p1</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Waymo hits student on bicycle - <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/7/24065063/waymo-driverless-car-strikes-bicyclist-san-francisco-injuries" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/7/24065063/waymo-driverless-car-strikes-bicyclist-san-francisco-injuries</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Waymo violates school bus rules - <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/waymo-recall-3000-vehicles-software-school-bus/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/waymo-recall-3000-vehicles-software-school-bus/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Podcast Recommendation - Agentic Dan - <a href="https://distillingsecurity.com/episode-64-agentic-dan/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://distillingsecurity.com/episode-64-agentic-dan/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>TV Recommendation - Pluribus - <a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Trust Issues in AI - </li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>“I bought this Tesla before Elon went crazy” magnet - <a href="https://geni.us/DXQYk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/DXQYk</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>OpenAI adds ads - <a href="https://apnews.com/article/chatgpt-ads-openai-advertising-83812a066375a805fa2e29b28fc77da1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/chatgpt-ads-openai-advertising-83812a066375a805fa2e29b28fc77da1</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Satya Nadella AI Internal Memo - <a href="https://africa.businessinsider.com/news/nadellas-message-to-microsoft-execs-get-on-board-with-the-ai-grind-or-get-out/sq0fe52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://africa.businessinsider.com/news/nadellas-message-to-microsoft-execs-get-on-board-with-the-ai-grind-or-get-out/sq0fe52</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>FDA AI Rules - <a href="https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/considerations-use-artificial-intelligence-support-regulatory-decision-making-drug-and-biological" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/considerations-use-artificial-intelligence-support-regulatory-decision-making-drug-and-biological</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Utah AI Prescriptions - <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/06/artificial-intelligence-prescribing-medications-utah-00709122" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/06/artificial-intelligence-prescribing-medications-utah-00709122</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Movie Recommendation: Terminator - <a href="https://geni.us/59025" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/59025</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Book Recommendation: The Cuckoos Egg - <a href="https://geni.us/hYE9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/hYE9</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Book Recommendation: AI 2041 - <a href="https://geni.us/5dtV54h" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/5dtV54h</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Anthropic Super Bowl Ad - <a href="https://fortune.com/2026/02/09/what-was-anthropic-super-bowl-ad-chatgpt-therapy-sam-altman-reaction/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Scott Galloway on why Anthropic's Super Bowl ad got to Sam ... - Fortune</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>China facial recognition payments - <a href="https://www.chowhound.com/2073279/grocery-store-facial-recognition-china-smile-to-pay/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.chowhound.com/2073279/grocery-store-facial-recognition-china-smile-to-pay/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Movie Recommendation: Sneakers - <a href="https://geni.us/P7SB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/P7SB</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The Dawn of the Post Literate Society - <a href="https://jmarriott.substack.com/p/the-dawn-of-the-post-literate-society-aa1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jmarriott.substack.com/p/the-dawn-of-the-post-literate-society-aa1</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Leading Causes of Death in the US, 2023 - <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Automated car sex in backseat - <a href="https://dailydot.com/driverless-car-sex-autonomous" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dailydot.com/driverless-car-sex-autonomous</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Podcast Recommendation: The Final Act - <a href="https://distillingsecurity.com/new-podcast-coming-soon-the-final-act/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://distillingsecurity.com/new-podcast-coming-soon-the-final-act/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Calculators and Children - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/crunching-numbers-debate-over-calculator-use-math-education-church-sg6te/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/crunching-numbers-debate-over-calculator-use-math-education-church-sg6te/</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Podcast Recommendation: Mentorcore - <a href="https://distillingsecurity.com/tag/mentorcore/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://distillingsecurity.com/tag/mentorcore/</a></li></ol><br/><p>Some of the links in the show notes contain affiliate links that may earn a commission should you choose to make a purchase using these links. Using these links supports The Great Security Debate and Distilling Security, so we appreciate it when you use them. We do not make our recommendations based on the availability or benefits of these affiliate links.</p>
January 12, 2026
WOPR Was Right
<p>Recently and over the past few years, world events may have included cybersecurity components in their enactment. So, Brian, Erik, and Dan started talking about the role of security in critical infrastructure protection, asking questions about the ethics and thresholds for government and corporate roles in cyber retaliation, whether we as security practitioners have a role (or an obligation, or even a liability) to close vulnerabilities that can be used in primary or retaliatory scenarios. How much of human nature makes cyber retaliation a foregone conclusion, or can we find ways to reduce the need or use or availability of ways in via the technology. From Stuxnet to Iran to Caracas, using cybersecurity is a prevalent vector of retaliation, but does it always have to be that way? Or will it end with WOPR’s recognition that the only way to win the game is not to play at all?</p><p>It’s hard to talk about modern cybersecurity and not bring in current events, and even harder to keep it from turning political. We tried very hard to do a good job in the latter as we talked about the former. </p><p>Thanks for being part of the debate!</p><p><br></p><p>Show Notes:</p><p><br></p><ul><li>Caracas Invasion - <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/International/explosions-heard-venezuelas-capital-city-caracas/story?id=128861598" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://abcnews.go.com/International/explosions-heard-venezuelas-capital-city-caracas/story?id=128861598</a></li><li>Stuxnet Explained - <a href="https://www.csoonline.com/article/562691/stuxnet-explained-the-first-known-cyberweapon.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.csoonline.com/article/562691/stuxnet-explained-the-first-known-cyberweapon.html</a></li><li>Book Recommendation: Countdown to Zero Day: Stuxnet and the Launch of the World’s First Digital Weapon - <a href="https://geni.us/swbN" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/swbN</a></li><li>San Bernardino vs Apple - <a href="https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/</a></li><li>Movie Recommendation: Real Genius - <a href="https://geni.us/abYUYT" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/abYUYT</a></li><li>Book Recommendation: The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve - <a href="https://geni.us/SL21a" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/SL21a</a></li><li>CIA Triad - <a href="https://cybersecuritynews.com/cia-triad-confidentiality-integrity-availability/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://cybersecuritynews.com/cia-triad-confidentiality-integrity-availability/</a></li><li>Book Recommendation: Atomic Habits - <a href="https://geni.us/Nn2GSYr" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://geni.us/Nn2GSYr</a></li><li>Michigan Council of Women in Technology -<a href="https://mcwt.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mcwt.org</a></li><li>Critical Infrastructure (Sectors) - <a href="https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors</a></li><li>Shadowbrokers - <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/05/shadow-brokers/527778/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/05/shadow-brokers/527778/</a></li><li>AI Prescriptions (Utah) - <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/06/artificial-intelligence-prescribing-medications-utah-00709122" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/06/artificial-intelligence-prescribing-medications-utah-00709122</a> </li><li>Japanese Omoiyari - <a...
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