A podcast about the creative process - the how, the why.
Most artists are inspired by more than just their own medium – so even though podcast host, Matshidiso is a musician, the Arts more broadly, politics, people – in short, life informs the music she makes.
And why ‘Holding up the ladder?’ Because we’re all trying to get somewhere and Matshidiso believes we not only further the arts but each other if we ‘hold up the ladder’ rather than pull the ladder up from under us as we climb.
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Welcome to a special live episode of Holding up the Ladder in collaboration with The Royal College of Art. feat. Gülce Tulçalı and Phoebe Davies.
As part of the Royal College of Art (RCA) MA graduate students', 'Curating Contemporary Art Exhibition' and their curatorial show, Feed Back, I was invited to lead a discussion exploring remediating legacies, curatorial repair and the role of artistic practice in defining and potentially shaping new legacies.
Our conversation took place in the Hanger space at the RCA, an open concrete and brick exhibition space with numerous MA students assembling their curatorial shows. So during our conversation expect to hear the hive like activity of a space in preparation.
The curatorial team responsible for Feed Back were: Apoorva Subbanna, Yi Fan, Serena Gao, Francesca Inciong, Stephanie Rubio, Arina Baburskova and Indy Calland
In conversation were artists: Gülce Tulçalı (https://gulcetulcali.studio/) & Phoebe Davies (https://www.phoebedavies.co.uk/)
We talk about dystopian realities, about the body, about making, about the artist’s role responding to the world around us. We talk about tenant farming and about collectivity and the commons.
Gülce Tulçalı Bio (https://gulcetulcali.studio/About)
Phoebe Davies Bio (https://www.phoebedavies.co.uk/about)
Links
Now, The Invisible Committee (https://libcom.org/article/now-invisible-committee)
Octavia's Brood (https://www.pagesofhackney.co.uk/webshop/product/octavias-brood-science-fiction-stories-from-social-justice-movements/?srsltid=AfmBOooCN7XOtRGCL7FZArBf61JKu8LhuQTJ_1KNww7p2QB4xGyjrLuN)
Vandana Shiva, Reclaiming The Commons ( https://www.tgjonesonline.co.uk/Product/Vandana-Shiva/Reclaiming-the-Commons--Biodiversity-Traditional-Knowledge-and-the-Rights-of-Mother-Earth/10705207)
Slade Farm Organics (https://www.sladefarmorganics.com/) & Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@sladefarmorganics6490)
Title: It's Your Job to Make the Work - A Holding Up The Ladder production in collaboration with RCA feat. Gülce Tulçalı and Phoebe Davies
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