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Subscribe at: https://horizonspod.com/ Join Nate Desmond as he dives deep into modern marketing. Each week, you'll hear war stories and tactical breakdowns from growth operators who've scaled products from zero to millions – from consumer apps saving tens of millions in acquisition costs to B2B companies charting their course to $100M+ in revenue. This isn't theory – it's a weekly masterclass in growth strategy, featuring makers and marketers who've built the products you use daily. Each episode unpacks the hidden mechanics behind viral loops, marketplace dynamics, enterprise sales motions, and acquisition strategies that actually work. <br/><br/><a href="https://horizonspod.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">horizonspod.substack.com</a>

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December 9, 2025

I Made An Album That Teaches You Marketing [Season 1 Recap]

<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@NateDesmond"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2mGUIdO9DwwHQ5XOIwH9LQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/horizons-pod/id1788814434"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>. (I recommend catching this one </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/ONzei_mDY3k"><strong>on YouTube to get the full experience</strong></a><strong>.)</strong></p><p>What’s one marketing framework from Season 1 that actually stuck with you?</p><p>If you’re like most people, the answer is... fuzzy. Maybe you remember a guest name. Maybe a general concept. But the specific framework?</p><p>Gone.</p><p><strong>That’s why I turned all 45 episodes into songs.</strong></p><p>Not because I think I’m the next Grammy winner. But because you probably still remember jingles from commercials you saw 20 years ago.</p><p>And because it seemed like an insanely fun way to celebrate the first season.</p><p><strong>Here’s a sample of the frameworks from Season 1, now impossible to forget:</strong></p><p>* <strong>Stories persuade, facts inform</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RosIS879FQ">Lydia Davey</a>): Why “the king died of a broken heart” beats “the king died”.</p><p>* <strong>Monthly billing reveals truth</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/AJ72EJ7rd3I">Joe Wilkinson</a>): Annual plans hide churn. Monthly plans force you to earn customers every 30 days.</p><p>* <strong>Behavior > surveys</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/GbHOKwr2Q_c">Ryan Delk</a>): What people SAY vs what they PAY are two different things.</p><p>* <strong>The 5 Whys</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/ySbGNJZ4HZA">Pete Sena</a>): Ask “why” five times to reach emotional buying triggers.</p><p>* <strong>Don’t let great get in the way of good</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/Zr_VNzOoTOM">Stephen Stouffer</a>): Perfect is a moving target. Ship now, iterate later.</p><p>* <strong>Simple tools beat complex software</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/Eouu736Xyyo">Sundar Swaminathan</a>): Google Sheets ran Uber’s growth for 5 years. You don’t need fancy tools.</p><p>* <strong>Strategic friction increases conversions</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/EML5DbvdQxk">Alexey Komissarouk</a>): Why Masterclass adds a quiz before checkout, and it works.</p><p>* <strong>Master one channel</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/ienL0gJ8qMk">Sherry Jiang</a>): Better to have 500K views on one platform than 50 views on ten.</p><p>* <strong>Content is a volume game</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/gmN0eePS6jY">Andrew Littlefield</a>): Baseball players who hit .333 make the Hall of Fame. Keep swinging.</p><p>* <strong>Build around existing habits</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/KdPAQFRr63s">Kevin Xu</a>): AfterHour became #1 by being the “bathroom app”. Join existing habits; don’t fight behavior.</p><p>* <strong>Network effects are AI-proof</strong> (<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/aaqQYV1B808">Adam Miller</a>): The only moat AI can’t compete away.</p><p><strong>Plus another 34 beats.</strong></p><p>Listen to the songs. They’re available everywhere:</p><p>Or better yet watch the recap video for a sampler (I recommend starting here):</p><p><strong>I’ve had way too much fun filming season 1.</strong></p><p>Sitting down with people behind the growth of Uber, Masterclass, Flipkart, and so many other companies that have literally changed the way we live.</p><p><strong>To each guest who has let us behind the curtain</strong>: thank you for opening your world to us.</p><p><strong>And to each listener who has come along for the journey</strong>: thank you for joining me on this crazy ride.</p><p>I don’t know when (or if) I’ll film a second season, but I’m so glad that I finally got around to bringing this dream to life. (Literally 10 years after I first considered podcasting in 2015!)</p><p>If you, dear reader, have got a fun idea burning a hole in your pocket, please do it! I can guarantee you that it will be 100x harder than you ever imagined, yet also more fulfilling and enjoyable. </p><p><strong>What side quest will you bring to life in 2026?</strong></p><p>Signing off,Nate</p><p>P.S. If even ONE of these frameworks changes how you work this week, <strong>hit reply and tell me which one</strong>. It would make my week.</p><p>PPS. Want to hear how exactly I managed to create 45 songs without ever playing an instrument? Here’s a little behind-the-scenes for AI nerds like me. :)</p><p><strong>Just 5 years ago, a project of this size would be impossible</strong>, or would at least take years + a large team.</p><p>I managed to pull it off solo during my weekends and evenings thanks to the incredible boost of AI. </p><p>It’s been my creative partner in everything from drafting song lyrics, to creating the songs themselves, to crafting music videos (some are really funny, don’t miss them!), to editing this note you’re reading right now.</p><p><strong>Here’s what I’ve learned about AI: it can create some really dreadful slop.</strong></p><p>But with the right human in the loop, you can also find some real diamonds in the rough.</p><p>As an example: when creating the songs, I used Suno AI and gave incredibly detailed prompts describing the genre of music I wanted (+ the exact lyrics to use). Even still, it probably took 4-8 song generations on average to find the one that made me go “oh, that’s epic”. </p><p><strong>The secret to creating with AI comes in two parts:</strong></p><p><strong>1/ Detailed prompting:</strong> Generic prompts create AI slop. Mindblowing prompts* create… well still probably 70% AI slop, but 30% fantastic results.</p><p><strong>2/ Tastemaking:</strong> Pretend you’re a judge on “AI’s Got Talent”. Your job is to separate the slop from the spectacular.</p><p>It really is that simple, but it takes hundreds of hours of practice to get it right (or maybe that’s just me).</p><p>*And what is a “mindblowing prompt”? So much of this is experimentation + stealing ideas from other AI users. But the single most powerful tip I’d share is to give your AI a role (“You’re a YouTube consultant who’s grown 3 channels to 100M subscribers, and you’ve been paid $1M to grow Horizons Pod.”).</p><p>—</p><p>Obligatory disclaimer: I've worked at YouTube and Google for about a decade in various marketing teams. Nothing I say in my personal spaces is necessarily endorsed by them.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://horizonspod.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">horizonspod.substack.com</a>

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December 2, 2025

How To Get 700M Free Impressions with Alessia Morichi

<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@NateDesmond"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2mGUIdO9DwwHQ5XOIwH9LQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/horizons-pod/id1788814434"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Alessia Morichi </strong>is a global marketing leader and startup founder who I met while we were both at Google. She has since gone on to cofounded a health tech company in the US, and now leads MarCom for a health tech company in Milan, Italy.</p><p><strong>Here’s some of my takeaways from this week’s episode…</strong></p><p><strong>1/ 🌱 Brand Growth Takes Time:</strong> Leaders often demand instant results, but brand building requires patience. Focus on establishing meaningful customer relationships rather than chasing short-term metrics, and create dashboard metrics that track both immediate and long-term impact.</p><p><strong>2/ 🤝 Network Like Your Growth Depends On It:</strong> Actively maintain relationships with peers, mentors, and industry leaders. Especially in challenging industries, allies who understand your unique challenges are invaluable.</p><p><strong>3/ 📊 Make Brand Data Digestible:</strong> Transform brand metrics into business language. Track specific KPIs like C-suite follower growth, media value of press mentions, and clear funnel progression. Present data in ways that resonate with revenue-focused stakeholders.</p><p><strong>4/ 🎯 Balance Authority + Accessibility:</strong> Particularly in healthcare, find the sweet spot between expertise and approachability. Consider shifting from a “caregiver” to an “everyman” brand archetype to create more balanced customer relationships.</p><p><strong>5/ 🔄 Create Content Virality Loops:</strong> Don’t just post content; engineer it to spread. Focus on content that encourages sharing and reaches beyond your current audience. Strategic timing and high posting frequency maintain algorithmic advantages.</p><p><strong>6/ 💡 Partner with Purpose:</strong> Successful partnerships should deliver on short-term metrics, while also building toward a longer-term shared vision. It’s easy to fail in either direction.</p><p><strong>7/ 📱 Social Media Needs Evolution:</strong> Today’s social strategy requires authentic, casual communication even from serious brands. Create content that feels native to each platform while maintaining brand integrity.</p><p><strong>8/ 🎓 Theory + Practice = Growth:</strong> When building teams, balance theoretical knowledge with practical application. Give team members space to solve problems independently while providing strategic context and support.</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Alessia Morichi:</strong></p><p>* LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessiamorichi/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessiamorichi/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>In this episode, we cover:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=0s">00:00</a> Introduction and Marketing Success at Elty<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=155s">02:35</a> Brand Marketing vs Growth Marketing<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=283s">04:43</a> Breaking Out of Marketing Comfort Zones<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=365s">06:05</a> B2B and B2C Marketing Strategy<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=519s">08:39</a> Market Localization Insights<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=664s">11:04</a> Growing Sales 5X Through Strategic Partnerships<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=795s">13:15</a> Leveraging Networks and Influencers<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=926s">15:26</a> Overcoming Social Media Challenges<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=1128s">18:48</a> Evolution of Social Media Marketing<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=1229s">20:29</a> Managing Healthcare Brand Voice<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=1438s">23:58</a> Measuring Brand Marketing Success<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=1676s">27:56</a> Content Strategy and Frequency<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=1833s">30:33</a> Finding the Right Agency Partners<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=2080s">34:40</a> Marketing Roles Across Company Stages<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=2449s">40:49</a> Teaching and Mentoring Marketing Professionals<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCqYtDqZLM&#38;t=3067s">51:07</a> Lightning Round Q&A</p><p>—</p><p>Obligatory disclaimer: I've worked at YouTube and Google for about a decade in various marketing teams. Nothing I say in my personal spaces is necessarily endorsed by them.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://horizonspod.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">horizonspod.substack.com</a>

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November 25, 2025

From 4 Stores to 400: Build-A-Bear's Empathy-Led Growth Strategy with Dave Finnegan

<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@NateDesmond"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2mGUIdO9DwwHQ5XOIwH9LQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/horizons-pod/id1788814434"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>—</p><p><strong>Dave Finnegan</strong> is a customer experience executive and brand strategist who serves as Strategic Advisor at NewRoad Capital Partners, following transformative leadership roles at Orvis and Build-A-Bear Workshop, where he helped grow the company from 4 stores to over 400 locations globally.</p><p><strong>Here’s some of my takeaways from this week’s episode…</strong></p><p><strong>1/ 🤝 Connection Drives Commerce</strong></p><p>Core insight: Business success is rooted in human relationships, not just transactions. At Build-A-Bear, the heart ceremony (where kids kiss the heart before putting it in their bear) wasn’t planned - it emerged from store associates creating meaningful moments with customers.</p><p><strong>2/ 🎯 Problems > Solutions</strong> </p><p>Start by deeply understanding customer needs before jumping to solutions. Domino’s didn’t just need faster delivery - they needed better-tasting pizza. Only after nailing the core product did speed and convenience innovation matter.</p><p><strong>3/ 🧠 Experience First, Economics Second</strong></p><p>When innovating, focus on getting the customer experience right before worrying about costs. Good CFOs will invest millions if you can prove the experience drives returns. Build-A-Bear’s success came from prioritizing experience over immediate profitability.</p><p><strong>4/ 👥 Culture Beats Strategy</strong></p><p>Hire for culture alignment first, skills second. Build-A-Bear looked for people whose “faces lit up” when interacting with others. Product expertise can be taught; genuine care for customers can’t.</p><p><strong>5/ 🎭 Physical Beats Digital</strong></p><p>The ultimate interaction is product-in-hand. When Build-A-Bear created digital “try on” experiences, customers ignored them in favor of physically dressing their bears. Digital should enhance, not replace, tactile experiences.</p><p><strong>6/ 🌱 Wisdom + Youth = Growth</strong></p><p>Pair experienced mentors with energetic new talent. The Maasai tribe’s warrior path demonstrates this perfectly: 5 years of a young warrior learning from an elder guide creates exceptional leaders.</p><p><strong>7/ 🎪 Location Strategy Matters</strong> </p><p>Build-A-Bear’s expansion succeeded by targeting vacation destinations first. Families would experience the brand while traveling, then demand stores in their hometowns.</p><p><strong>8/ 📚 Stay Teachable</strong></p><p>Success comes from maintaining a “ready to receive” mindset. The moment you think you know everything, you stop growing. Every interaction is a chance to learn something new.</p><p>—</p><p><strong>Where to find Dave Finnegan:</strong></p><p>* LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davefinnegan/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/davefinnegan/</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>In this episode, we cover:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=0s">00:00</a> The Importance of Physical Product Interaction<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=161s">02:41</a> Building Human Connections in Business<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=220s">03:40</a> Build-A-Bear’s Culture and Innovation Philosophy<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=413s">06:53</a> Evolution of the Build-A-Bear Experience<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=583s">09:43</a> Balancing Innovation with Financial Responsibility<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=730s">12:10</a> Brand Recognition and Growth Strategy<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=901s">15:01</a> Strategic Store Placement and Media Exposure<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=1207s">20:07</a> Digital vs Physical Experience Design<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=1501s">25:01</a> Learning from Customer Behavior<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=2076s">34:36</a> The Role of Human Connection in Business Success<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=2614s">43:34</a> Customer and Employee Onboarding<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=3124s">52:04</a> Learning from Global Travel Experiences<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=3270s">54:30</a> Leadership Lessons from Maasai Warriors<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutHIpAVd5g&#38;t=3977s">1:06:17</a> Perspectives on AI and Future of Business</p><p>—</p><p>Obligatory disclaimer: I've worked at YouTube and Google for about a decade in various marketing teams. Nothing I say in my personal spaces is necessarily endorsed by them.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://horizonspod.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">horizonspod.substack.com</a>

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Join Nate Desmond as he dives deep into modern marketing. Each week, you'll hear war stories and tactical breakdowns from growth operators who've scaled products from zero to millions – from consumer apps saving tens of millions in acquisition costs to B2B companies charting their course to $100M+ in revenue.

This isn't theory – it's a weekly masterclass in growth strategy, featuring makers and marketers who've built the products you use daily. Each episode unpacks the hidden mechanics behind viral loops, marketplace dynamics, enterprise sales motions, and acquisition strategies that actually work. <br/><br/><a href="https://horizonspod.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">horizonspod.substack.com</a>

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