后场 Back of House 是不同领域的幕后视角与声音，我们尝试摒弃常规的正面叙事，从非正面的视角出发，关注建筑、艺术、体验与生活方式。
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后场 Back of House
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后场 Back of House 是不同领域的幕后视角与声音，我们尝试摒弃常规的正面叙事，从非正面的视角出发，关注建筑、艺术、体验与生活方式。 - 请添加微信：bohstaff，进入听友群。
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February 20, 2026
【音乐特辑】后场 1-20 期音乐特辑 boh music recap vol.1
<p>新春快乐！为您献上后场 1-20 期的音乐，共计34曲。【纯音乐】<br><br>1. Takeo Moriyama - Sunrise<br>2. Ruby Rushton - sun khosi<br>3. Mei Ehara - ギャンブル<br>4. Jasmine Myra - 1000 miles<br>5. Young Marble Giants - Brand New Life<br>6. Crystal Castles - Intimate<br>7. Bonobo - Cirrus<br>8. Yusef Lateef - Ching Miau<br>9. Ebi Soda - Gated Community with a Public Pool<br>10. WOW - Occhi Di Serpente<br>11. Bex Burch - Pardieu<br>12. DNA - Blonde Redhead<br>13. 王菲 - 蓝色时分<br>14. The Raincoats - Ooh Ooh La La La <br>15. Au Pairs - Tongue In Cheek<br>16. 清水靖晃 - オー!イヴォンヌ<br>17. The Smiths - Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want<br>18. Cosmo Sheldrake - The Fly<br>19. The Raveonettes - Last Dance<br>20. Kraftwerk - The Robots<br>21. Beach House - Space Song<br>22. ゆらゆら帝国 - 学校へ行ってきます<br>23. 松風鉱一 - Earth Mother<br>24. 生活向上委員会大管弦楽団 - アケタケタ行進曲<br>25. Dark Souls (Original Game Soudtrack) - Gwyn, Lord of Cinder<br>26. UNDERTALE Soundtrack - Fallen Down<br>27. Athletic Progression - And1<br>28. 関口シンゴ - North Wing<br>29. Peace Flag Ensemble - Waiting is My Favourite Colour<br>30. Brian Eno - Golden Hours<br>31. 菅野洋子 - トルキア《攻壳机动队 2nd GIG》<br>32. 池田绫子 - Prism《电脑线圈》op<br>33. Wes Montgomery - Windy<br>34. 邓丽君 - 別れの予感</p>
February 8, 2026
无感的循环：材料、产业链与被看见之前的可持续。
<p>本期对话始于一次展览现场的经验：在深圳展览「变形记」中，一件由回收玻璃制成的作品，让“废弃物”第一次以<strong>震撼而美的方式</strong>出现。从材料之美出发，我们逐步进入一个更复杂的问题：<strong>当“可持续”不再是口号，它在现实世界中究竟如何运作？</strong></p><p>——</p><p>00:55 从艺术、建筑到仿生学：朱慧的可持续设计研究背景。<br>02:35 为保乐力加回收酒瓶，再造成玻璃板材。<br>03:53 为什么我们小时候值五毛钱的啤酒瓶，现在没人回收了？<br>05:51 为什么 PET 塑料瓶比玻璃瓶更“值钱”？<br>10:09 大宗回收的现状：各个环节很专业，但链路是断开的。<br>13:10 “热值”大于回收价值？烧垃圾发电是更好的选择吗？<br>22:28 高昂的成本由谁买单？<br>34:01 “先有鸡还是先有蛋”：可持续实践的根本困境。<br>39:40 用商业推动可持续：Freitag 和 Patagonia 的模式可复制吗？<br>41:57 可持续空间、产品和体验：我们提供的不是材料，而是解决方案。<br>54:56 设计的价值：80% 的废弃物可以在设计阶段被避免。</p><p>——</p><p>【嘉宾】朱慧（REDO重塑设计）<br>【主播】que、kaiho<br>【视觉、声音设计】刘璐<br>【音乐】Antonio Vivaldi - Concerto for Lute, 2 Violins and Strings in D major,Allegro、Fugees - Ready or Not<br>【文中提及】</p><p>人物及机构：</p><p>X-ZOO / NOBILITY MIRROR（以回收玻璃为核心材料的镜面作品。通过将啤酒瓶碎渣转译为高完成度的视觉与空间体验）、马爹利（Martell） / 保乐力加集团（Pernod Ricard）、南玻集团（CSG）</p><p>行业机制：PET 饮料瓶回收体系、ESG 与合规压力、垃圾焚烧、热值与降级回收、降级回收<br><br>——<br></p><p>▼ NOBILITY MIRROR, X-ZOO</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9penpleW9nZ2FmLmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9T1RNNU9ERTROekpoTVRZd1pEVmtaak14TWpBd00ySmpaalEwTVRReE1XVmZkWHBvUm1KMU1VdGlOR3hsY3pOcWRXMXFlbmcyVHpWU1JrMW1kMU5EUzBkZlZHOXJaVzQ2UVdkYU0ySTRRbVV5YjFGVFpEQjRPSEp1VG1ORE9YbzFibmhrWHpFM056QTBORFF4TURZNk1UYzNNRFEwTnpjd05sOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 循环创想舍（REDO重塑设计利用马爹利的废旧玻璃酒瓶于广州天河湿地公园建造了一个秉承循环和可持续的理念的公共开放空间）</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9penpleW9nZ2FmLmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9WmpRNE9Ua3paR0l4TW1RNU0yWTFNVFZtWkRsa05XVTNNak13T0dJNU1UVmZTM2MxY0RkaFNVRmlPRFF4TmtoTlNrY3dSa2hWT1RreVJWUnVkV3h2WjNSZlZHOXJaVzQ2VVdoS2VXSllZbmRXYjFwTWMweDRNWEpPTW1Od1pqY3piazlqWHpFM056QTBORFF4TURZNk1UYzNNRFEwTnpjd05sOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 上海柏悦 · 艺可持续（REDO重塑设计，依托Nespresso奈斯派索的咖啡胶囊回收计划，我们共同推进了咖啡胶囊副产品的循环再生，这其中包括将回收的咖啡胶囊铝制包装通过分拣、熔炼等步骤，处理为再生铝材）</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9penpleW9nZ2FmLmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9WldWa01tRXpNR1k1TUdOalltUmxZMlpqTjJVeVpEWXlZelpqT1RkalltRmZSV3RHZFVONU5sUjNSRkZyVGtKRU5YTjNVRTgwV0VaeGVYZG1VRE5JVjBsZlZHOXJaVzQ2VlRneU1tSkJRbFpYYjFsVmVFMTRlV2h0VldOaFQyTnpibWg0WHpFM056QTBORFF4TURZNk1UYzNNRFEwTnpjd05sOVdOQQ=="/><img src="https://izzeyoggaf.feishu.cn/space/api/box/stream/download/asynccode/?code=MjhiNTk4M2Q2MzU4YzQ2MzA2OTI0OWI2YmI4ZTNmOThfbzE2ZHhYSWhFeFNPNWY3a3FxS1QxdXRWMVlhaWhWdTRfVG9rZW46THM4eWJxaVhVb1kwSFp4dVZ2Y2NFUXlVbkVkXzE3NzA0NDQxMDY6MTc3MDQ0NzcwNl9WNA"/></p><p>——</p><blockquote>后场 Back of House 是不同领域的幕后视角与声音，我们尝试摒弃常规的正面叙事，从非正面的视角出发，关注建筑、艺术、体验与生活方式。</blockquote>
January 13, 2026
七月合作社：起点、师承与在地视角。
<p>七月合作社是国内知名的景观设计团队，但不少人对他们的认识，或许仍停留在“日本枯山水大师枡野俊明的国内合作方”这一标签上。事实上，七⽉合作社并没有停留在对⽇式的符号化复制上，⽽是继承了枡野俊明对材料细节的极致掌控，并尝试将其带⼊当代庭院的设计语境。我们与七月合作社合伙人胡晓楠聊了聊他们的源起与方法，和当下的国际化和本土回应。</p><p>在对话中，我们也回到《后场 Back of House》第二期【🔗<a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/679f462b247d51713c4786c6">从伦佐·皮亚诺（Renzo Piano）和天目里聊起，聊聊城市、建筑与网红商业。</a>】中提到的项目——七月合作社在天目里营造的三座庭院，讨论了其中的设计选择与现场挑战，以及建造过程中，枡野俊明与大地艺术家理查德·朗在工地相遇的有趣故事。</p><p>当一座庭院从图纸走向现实，当设计对象变成独一无二的石头与植物，景观设计师的工作方式会发生怎样的变化？这一期，我们围绕这些问题展开了讨论。</p><p>——</p><p>00:25 “七月合作社”这个名字的由来。七月合作社与日本枯山水大师枡野俊明的关系是什么？<br>07:06 枡野俊明在天目里的三个庭院。<br>09:39 天目里项目：一个起初被当成“骗子”的邀约。<br>12:34 为什么天目里的庭院设计难度很高？<br>16:20 枡野俊明遇与理查德·朗在天目里。<br>18:39 图纸完成时，设计工作才刚刚开始？<br>39:43 七月合作社只做小而美的日式庭院吗？<br>43:55 如何欣赏一个景观项目？<br>46:05 讨论：当建筑师用“园林”的手法做建筑时，他们常常会忘记什么？</p><p>——</p><p>【嘉宾】胡晓楠（七月合作社合伙人）<br>【主播】que、kaiho<br>【视觉、声音设计】刘璐<br>【音乐】青葉市子 - mushrooms, flowers, roly-polys、Tenniscoats - Higa Noboru<br>【文中提及】<br>人物及机构：七月合作社（景观设计事务所）、康恒（七月合作社创始人）、枡野俊明（日本枯山水大师、禅僧、多摩美术大学教授）、伦佐·皮亚诺（Renzo Piano，意大利建筑师）、李琳（江南布衣创始人、天目里项目发起人）、理查德·朗（Richard Long，英国大地艺术家）、野口勇（Isamu Noguchi，日裔美国艺术家）、藤本壮介（日本建筑师）、郑国谷（中国艺术家）、傅丹（Danh Vo，越南裔丹麦艺术家）、和泉屋（日本石材供应商）、维他命艺术空间（画廊）</p><p>作品及项目：《乌有园》（书籍）、天目里（杭州）、乌桕庭院、净花园（广州）、回空间（傅丹作品）、佩雷公园（Paley Park，纽约）、建功寺（日本横滨）</p><p>——</p><p>▼ 枡野俊明（摄影：王士豪）</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9WXpZMFpHVm1ZekU1TVdSa04yWTFOVE14TmpReU5XUm1NR1ZsWlRRM1pEWmZWV0U0TWxGd04xWTVaMGxyVjB0YWJFeE5kWEo1Tm1KbFlWSmxNRTVJUjBOZlZHOXJaVzQ2VjNaTU9XSTRPR3BSYnpoblRuSjROWGRKWm1Oek5HeHRibVo0WHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 天目里“水”庭园手绘效果图</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9T0dWak9UY3hNRFEzWVRrNU1qRmxaVGMwWXpaaE1ETmhObVUyTmpJeFl6WmZWa1IwZVVJMGRFVmxiWGRVWlVSVE1tUlhRVUY0TlZKemNGUnBSVGx5VDJwZlZHOXJaVzQ2VGtreldHSkNiSEp2YjNkR1dIWjRSVUpRUkdOQ05UZHRibmRrWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 枡野老师与植藤造园团队现场配合摆放石组，种植植物。</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9TmpVMFpqZzJOMkZpT1RGaE5qbGhaamxqTldaak1tTTRabUUzTVdJME9XRmZOR2xuWkRkMFpWQXpRbEExYTNSaFZIUnFZV0ZYVWs1RGRXUkNSMlJZYjNGZlZHOXJaVzQ2U3pGS2MySlFZbmhRYnpGWVNYZDRibFp1U1dORGRHNW9ibE5rWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 枡野俊明｜⾦⼭岭上院禅庭项⽬</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9TWpZeU5HWmxOVE5sTnpJeU9URmlaVEZsWmpZMVlUazVOek0wWmpObE5qRmZkazl4YzNOaGJWQjJORWRuWVRJNFZHSjNRMkZFV1RBelprd3piV28yWmpoZlZHOXJaVzQ2UzFFMmFHSjFkVlI0YnpOeVMwaDRTV3htYUdONlZVZGxibU5pWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9TkdJME9URXpaRFV5T0RGbE5qZzJaRFV5TkRGbU56UTJaVEEyWW1aaVpEbGZWREZPYVc1eFZISjZSMU5WZFhsSGVGUndVWFZzVjJ4RVRGaGlkWEZWUlRaZlZHOXJaVzQ2VTFkdVZXSk5OMjF4YjJGTGEwdDRWV3QyUW1OeFVHUkxialptWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9WldVNVpHTTBPRFpoTkRWbFpUUmlPV1E0TURoalpUSXpZV0kxWkRobE1qRmZUbG94UXpJMlJrdFlSSE5PWlZCYU0xUkhWM0p5TlhGT1pGQnNlRWRhTW5WZlZHOXJaVzQ2VFRsM2NtSk1lblYwYjJKTldGTjRXVFJQYkdNMVZHSXdibWhrWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1TVRjNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVeE4xOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 泥洹院，七月合作社与业主张洹、胡军军的一次联合创作</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9T0RRd01HUTFabU16WXpBd09XRmpZVGcxTkdRMlpqY3paakV5WkROaU1qRmZkRWR5YlZoSFoxbEtiSEZ2VVdsVFQwWjBTVmxTUVROaFJsSXlOVGhOYWxaZlZHOXJaVzQ2Um1KR2VHSkNZMmxPYjFaSFEzWjRkMHBFZW1OSmVXVkpia1ZsWHpFM05qZ3lPVGt4TlRFNk1UYzJPRE13TWpjMU1WOVdOQQ=="/></p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9TnpRMFltSTVOelUyWmpBMk1XSTFaamsxWm1NM016aGlPREV6T1dRNFpUZGZjM28yVmxOaU5tZHlObnBxVTBORlUyaHZXVUpQVXpKYU4wcEdWa1pPVkZwZlZHOXJaVzQ2VWpWVk5XSjJWemhHYjNSNE9WTjRXRVo1WldNNWFEbG1ibEJqWHpFM05qZ3lPVGt4TlRFNk1UYzJPRE13TWpjMU1WOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 镜花园/维他命艺术空间</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9WlRCbU5qZGhNR0kxWVdJMk1XVTFabVEwTlRRMk1Ua3lZMlF4T0dOalpEUmZSbUZpTVVaV1ExVlFaRUk1TjBvM2JGWldTR3hSZVdKM1QxbFRkM0YxZEV0ZlZHOXJaVzQ2VVZRd1JHSjVkMjFqYjJ0Q1EzSjRTMjVzVTJOaGVtaDNiazVvWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1T1RRNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVNU5GOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>▼ 《乌有园》，金秋野和王欣二人合编的系列出版物</p><p><img src="https://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9xamZzN213MnJ4LmZlaXNodS5jbi9zcGFjZS9hcGkvYm94L3N0cmVhbS9kb3dubG9hZC9hc3luY2NvZGUvP2NvZGU9T1RreVpqaGhOelU1TlRjeVlUZGxOV1ZtTlRWbFpERTJZakEyT1RVek1qQmZTRUkxZDNOT1oybExRalo0Y0VKdGJEbHlTbWxTYUhKeFFYQnRZVTFrVVdSZlZHOXJaVzQ2VFV4d1JXSjBRWEJaYjFaS1VFVjRXWFZQVkdOd1IwcHRibkpuWHpFM05qZ3lPVGc1T1RRNk1UYzJPRE13TWpVNU5GOVdOQQ=="/></p><p>——</p><blockquote>后场 Back of House 是不同领域的幕后视角与声音，我们尝试摒弃常规的正面叙事，从非正面的视角出发，关注建筑、艺术、体验与生活方式。</blockquote>
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