So much has changed about the church in the past decade or so. We need to talk about it.
Join Tim Lee, Jennifer Thigpenn, and the occasional guest as they explore How To Church.
Ep. 18 - How To Empower the Next Generation (with Meagan Lord)
In this episode, Tim and Jenn welcome back Meagan Lord (co-host, TikTok Theology) to discuss how to empower the next generations through mentorship, discipleship and intergenerational community.
4 Jul 2025
Ep. 17 - How To Not Be A Weird Pentecostal
On this episode, Tim and Jennifer unpack some of the stereotypes of pentecostals and discuss how Spirit-filled people can show up as faithful witnesses in the world.
28 May 2025
Ep 16 - I Planted A Service, Not A Church
In this episode Tim gets honest and reflective about his church planting experience, the places where he missed it, God's grace and goodness, and his hope for the future.
We hope this raw conversation about the nature of the Church and the necessity discipleship blesses and also challenges you.
1 May 2025
Ep 15 - How To Lead Through Crisis
Wildfire devastated a large part of Southern California in January, 2025.
Having just moved into one of the communities impacted, Jenn found herself leading through crisis. In this episode, Tim ask Jenn to reflect on what she learned during those days.
17 Apr 2025
Ep. 14 - How To Know Your Calling
As they close their series of conversations on calling, Tim and Jenn clarify the differences between calling and assignment, discuss their own experiences with calling and explore Parker Palmer’s idea of letting your life speak.
Show notes:
Let Your Life Speak: Listening for the Voice of Vocation (https://a.co/d/8MJxhf1) by Parker Palmer
Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life (https://a.co/d/4X1TbmT) by Richard Rohr
27 Mar 2025
Ep. 13 - How To Be You In The Church, Part 2
Jenn and Tim continue a conversation about calling inside and outside of the church with their friends Nekia Allen and Alexander James about the nature of calling.
If you missed part 1, you are really going to want to check that out!
Nekia Allen is a Traveling Private Chef, Bridgebuilder, Mentor, and Consultant. She works as the Operations Administrator for The Nonprofit Plug, an organization focused on helping people launch community-impacting non-profits. Nekia is big on discipleship both in the church and in the kitchen and serves as a staff pastor at Lighthouse 805 church in Ventura, CA. You can follow her on Instagram @chefnekia and book her to cook for you at chefnekia.com (http://www.chefnekia.com/).
Alexander James is a seasoned pastor, youth strategist, and poet with 15 years of ministry experience. As the Discipleship Pastor at Friends Church in Orange CA, Alexander oversees new member onboarding, life groups, and biblical education. His dynamic speaking connects deeply with audiences, and his poetry reflects his passion for authentic expression. You can follow Alexander @bhonest_, AND make sure to pick up a copy of his book, "Just Be Honest: a poetic invitation to liberation"
16 Mar 2025
Ep. 12 - How To Be You In The Church, Part 1
Jenn and Tim have a conversation with their friends Nekia Allen and Alexander James about the nature of calling. They explore what calling looks like both inside and outside of church spaces and how to live authentically as oneself wherever God calls you.
Nekia Allen is a Traveling Private Chef, Bridgebuilder, Mentor, and Consultant. She works as the Operations Administrator for The Nonprofit Plug, an organization focused on helping people launch community-impacting non-profits. Nekia is big on discipleship both in the church and in the kitchen and serves as a staff pastor at Lighthouse 805 church in Ventura, CA. You can follow her on Instagram @chefnekia and book her to cook for you at chefnekia.com (http://www.chefnekia.com/).
Alexander James is a seasoned pastor, youth strategist, and poet with 15 years of ministry experience. As the Discipleship Pastor at Friends Church in Orange CA, Alexander oversees new member onboarding, life groups, and biblical education. His dynamic speaking connects deeply with audiences, and his poetry reflects his passion for authentic expression. You can follow Alexander @bhonest_, AND make sure to pick up a copy of his book, "Just Be Honest: a poetic invitation to liberation"
21 Nov 2024
Ep. 11 - What Is A Calling?
What is a calling? Who gets to be called? What if we're talking about calling the wrong way?
Jennifer and Tim are back to kick off a series of conversations about this important, and sometimes misunderstood topic.
5 Sept 2024
SPECIAL EPISODE: In Response to School Shootings
This episode was recorded on September 5th, 2024; the day after a shooting in Georgia that took the lives of four people.
We hope this conversation will serve you as a helpful resource for thinking about how Jesus would invite His people to respond to the violence in our world.
23 May 2024
Ep. 10 - Empathy As Resistance
A follow up to the episode 9 conversation on Church Hurt; Tim & Jenn dig deeper into sources and solutions for Church Hurt and the problem of dehumanization.
16 May 2024
Ep. 9 - Church Hurt
Jenn & Tim have a conversation about the pain caused when church culture and leadership is unhealthy. We pray that this conversation will bless you, & possibly be a source of hope & healing.
9 May 2024
Ep 8 - How to Gen-Z / TikTok Theology Crossover
Our friends, Steven & Meagan, from the TikTok Theology Podcast join us for a conversation about the wonders and challenges of ministering to and alongside of Gen-Z.
2 May 2024
Ep 7 - Leading Change & Making Disciples with Jerry Dirmann
Every church made significant changes in 2020…but very few were ready to make those changes BEFORE 2020. Jerry Dirmann is one of those leaders who did it well! In this episode, Tim and Jerry talk about a significant transition in Jerry’s church, making disciples, and following the Holy Spirit.
25 Apr 2024
Ep 6 - Family Matters
3 VERY special guests join for a conversation about doing ministry as a family — Tim’s wife, Sharon, and their daughters, Hannah and Selah!
18 Apr 2024
Ep 5 - Preaching Someone Else’s Stuff?
Prep, Prayer, and Stealing. A conversation about the boundaries of how to develop a sermon. None of this episode was plagiarized; but we DO talk about it!
11 Apr 2024
Ep 4 - Can You Be Friends With People You Lead?
It’s lonely at the top…but does it HAVE to be? Join Jenn & Tim for a discussion on the beautiful messiness of leadership and friendship.
4 Apr 2024
Ep 3 - What Are The Rules of Worship?
A conversation with Dr. Steven Felix-Jager about the rules of worship music in the Church. This episode is NOT just for worship leaders, and we hope it blesses you.
Steven is associate professor and chair of the Worship Arts and Media program at Life Pacific University in San Dimas, California. He is the author of Renewal Worship and the co-host of the TikTok Theology podcast with Meagan Lord.
21 Mar 2024
Ep 2 - Does Online Church Count?
Is meeting in person required? Is virtual sufficient? What does it mean to be an embodied people in a digital age?
Join us for episode 2 where we wrestle with these questions and offer a framework for thinking about how the Church gathers.
14 Mar 2024
Ep 1 - What Is The Church?
Jenn & Tim kick things off with a conversation about what the Church is, what has changed, and if there is hope for the future.
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