"in the groove" is a podcast where we create space for reflection and conversation to unfold. we explore the human experiences that connect us all to deepen our understanding of ourselves, our connection to the world, and the ways we engage with the aliveness within us. we’re glad you’re here.
In this episode, Chris and Carly explore the Seven Levels of Energy (an iPEC Coaching Structure) as a living framework for understanding emotion, connection, and the way we interact with the world. From survival-based thinking to collaborative flow, we unpack how energy shapes not just what we do, but how we interact with our internal and external world—including how our ideas of “winning” and “losing” evolve, and what it means to step beyond them entirely. This framework offers a way of operating from a place of intention and an ability to notice where we are to decide where we want to go.
Timestamps:
06:34 Understanding Catabolic and Anabolic Energy
08:25 Level One: I Always Lose
10:05 Level Two: If I Want to Win, You Have to Lose
17:01 Level Three: Sometimes I Win, Sometimes You Win, Good Luck
20:25 Level Four: If You're Winning, I'm Winning
25:20 Level Five: We Win When We Work Together
44:07 Level Six: Everything is a Win
1:00:04 Level Seven: Winning and Losing is an Illusion
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
Resources & References:
iPEC's Seven Levels of Energy
12 Mar 2026
Exploring Direction When You Don't Know What You Want
In this episode of In The Groove, Carly and Chris explore why so many of us know what we don’t want, but might struggle to identify what we do want. Through conversation and reflection, they unpack how shifting our focus from avoidance to intention can transform the way we approach growth, decision-making, and our everyday lives. They discuss how judgment often pulls us out of our growth zone, why direction matters even when the path isn’t clear, and how curiosity can become a powerful guide when navigating uncertainty.
Timestamps:
04:41 Where we are and where we want to be
10:38 Venn diagram of our head and heart
15:52 Dream life workshop
26:11 The lives we inherit
34:29 The feeling we want
41:13 Accepting where we are
48:38 Signals to pivot
49:09 Design thinking
57:42 Evaluate and iterate
1:02:22 Embodying the world we want to live in
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
26 Feb 2026
The Discipline of Devotion
Chris and Carly play with the nuances between the concepts of "discipline" and "devotion" in a candid conversation to explore how the two concepts differ and how they can work together to help support a holistic and engaging lifestyle. Their discussion takes on a lens of curiosity for how we can use our self-talk and mindset to become both the student and the teacher of what we decide to pursue, and how to help ourselves have a good time while doing it.
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly and @inthegroovepod
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
19 Feb 2026
How to Build Habits That Actually Stick (Without All-or-Nothing Thinking) | Part Two
Chris and Carly continue their conversation on habits and scaffolding through sustainable changes. Their discussion further explores the perspective of habits, cues and triggers for habit building, and finding flexibility between the bare minimum and the ideal. They also dive into the plastic nature of our brains and the “secret third option” that can open up ways we engage with the life we want to live.
Have thoughts or questions you'd love to hear Chris and Carly chat about? Email us at podcast@groovespace.co
Where to find us: Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly and @inthegroovepod YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast Substack @thegnarliestcarly Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
12 Feb 2026
Understanding How Habits Can Serve Us | Part One
Carly and Chris chat about habits as supportive rhythms we build over time, not strict routines we have to get perfectly right. They explore how self-talk, friction, and perfectionism can shape the way we grow, and why aiming for excellence with compassion often leads to something richer. It’s a thoughtful conversation to sit with if you’ve been navigating habits in your own life.
Timestamps:
02:55 Defining a habit
07:20 Where does a habit exist within the growth zones
14:20 How habits serve Chris
16:50 How habits serve Carly
19:25 The language of habits
26:58 “Don’t think of a red barn”
28:17 Common points of friction
36:39 Friction’s purpose in building a habit
39:00 The steps of identifying and building habits
48:45 How to handle unsupportive voices
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly and @inthegroovepod
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
29 Jan 2026
What the Comfort, Growth, and Panic Zones Can Teach Us
In this episode of ‘in the groove,’ Chris and Carly dig into the zones of growth; a concept popularized by adventure education pioneer Karl Rohnke. They chat about the comfort, growth, and panic zones to think about what each zone can teach us about how we learn, feel, and make choices. The conversation explores learning through play, the brain’s natural desire to learn, how outside judgment and fear can creep in, and the importance of noticing and accepting fear without letting it be the driver.
New episodes drop every Thursday, so stick around. Until next time, take it easy.
Timestamps:
02:00 Intro of the Three Zones of Growth and Adventure Education
08:53 Entering the Growth Zone and Getting Comfortable
14:18 Entering the Panic Zone and the Role of Judgment
22:27 What Links Us to the Zones & Outside Influences
24:12 When in the Panic Zone: Hitting Pause and Checking In
27:19 Growing Up with the Zones
33:20 Knowing When We’ve Spent Too Much Time in the Comfort Zone
42:57 The Span of the Growth Zone
45:41 Doing Something Relaxed and Doing Something Afraid
51:43 The Invitations of the Growth Zones
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@InTheGroovePodcast
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com/
Resources & References:
Your Guide to the Comfort Zone: How Stepping Out Unlocks Your Potential
23 Jan 2026
Creating Structure to Find the Flow
Hey and welcome to the very first episode of In the Groove, a podcast where we create space and let meaningful conversations unfold. We explore the human experiences that connect us all to deepen our understanding of ourselves, our connection to the world, and the ways we engage with the aliveness within us. We’re glad you’re here. In this intro episode, you’ll meet Chris, an educator, life coach, and deep listener, and Carly, an artist, designer, and creative. To each other, they are mom and daughter! Together, C&C talk about what’s been inspiring them lately, the kinds of structures that create space in our lives, and what it looks like to show up with creativity and curiosity.
New episodes drop every Thursday, so stick around. Until next time, take it easy.
Timestamps:
00:53 Intro/Chris and Carly’s relationship
03:38 Who Chris and Carly are
18:00 Exploring form and space
20:30 The process of our actions and failing forward
25:40 What has Chris been paying attention to?
34:00 What has Carly been paying attention to?
40:15 Internal structures
Where to find us:
Instagram and TikTok @thegnarliestcarly
Substack @thegnarliestcarly
Carly’s cool art https://www.carlywh.com
Watch us on Youtube
Resources & References:
Your Guide to the Comfort Zone: How Stepping Out Unlocks Your Potential
Eckhart Tolle
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