This nation is still in the making. We the People? We're in the making too. In the Making is a new series from PolicyLink hosted by Baratunde Thurston, featuring kitchen table conversations with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere. Together, they explore how to redesign the nation so that it serves all people.
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Host Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink President Ashleigh Gardere and CEO Michael McAfee about building a more inclusive democracy by learning from Indigenous governance and global reconciliation movements.
2 Jul 2026TRANSCRIPT
Claiming the 14th Amendment’s Power
Host Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink President Ashleigh Gardere and CEO Michael McAfee about leveraging the 13th and 14th Amendments as powerful tools for lasting democratic change.
25 Jun 2026TRANSCRIPT
Redesigning the Federal Government for All
Host Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere about redesigning the federal government to fulfill its affirmative duty for all citizens.
18 Jun 2026TRANSCRIPT
Governing for All, Where You Are
Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere about building governing power from the ground up through local efforts and regional implementation.
11 Jun 2026TRANSCRIPT
Rooting in Place
Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere about how states and local communities drive transformative change when federal progress is blocked.
4 Jun 2026TRANSCRIPT
Rewriting the Rules
Host Baratunde Thurston interviews PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere about proactively rewriting national rules to ensure government serves all people and earns public trust.
28 May 2026
Rebuilding the Foundation
Host Baratunde Thurston talks with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere to explore why America's foundation was flawed from the start—and how we can build a new one that works for everybody.
They discuss why the nation's original design excluded many from "We the People," how across ideology, so many experience the system as rigged, and why we should raise the level of our expectations and demands of what government should do.
They explore why the next founding must be built by millions, and why soul work—seeing each other's humanity—is an essential part of this transformation.
21 May 2026
Becoming We the People
Host Baratunde Thurston returns with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere to explore why we should be the founders of a redesigned nation for all.
They discuss why we must own our power and birthright to do this work, how love and accountability must guide us, and the six essential founders’ capacities we must cultivate in ourselves and our institutions on this journey.
14 May 2026
Redesigning Democracy for All
Amid political chaos, low trust in institutions and government, and the grief of this moment, host Baratunde Thurston, CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere discuss why this moment calls for redesigning this nation—and how it's always been the people excluded from democracy who have brought it closer to its promise.
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Building What’s Next
Published 9 Jul 2026 · Transcript excerpt
[…] There was democracy being practiced by indigenous nations. That's a huge reveal. And I came to this through a set of relationships, which is a different video and a longer conversation, but suffice it to say that the Haudenosaunee Confederacy was Six Nations, still are Six Nations, living under the great law of peace. […]
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