No hot takes. No empty platitudes. No easy hope. Just real talk about how we hold onto our humanity, build something better—and maybe even laugh along the way. Bring snacks. Bring questions. We're figuring this out together.
In the Meanwhile
Claim This Podcastby Marcus Harrison Green & Nora Kenworthy
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No hot takes. No empty platitudes. No easy hope. Just real talk about how we hold onto our humanity, build something better—and maybe even laugh along the way. Bring snacks. Bring questions. We're figuring this out together.
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Recent Episodes
July 10, 2026
Ep 59: Two Nations, One Grief with Nilu Jenks
<p dir="ltr">This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Iranian American democracy advocate Nilu Jenks for a deeply personal conversation about war, diaspora grief, authoritarianism, and the deadly lie of "liberation" through violence. Drawing from her family's lived experience in Iran and her work for more representative democracy here in the U.S., Jenks brings clarity, grief, and fierce moral vision to a moment shaped by propaganda, profound uncertainty, and the human cost of minority rule. It's a moving, unflinching conversation about pain, memory, resistance, and what solidarity, accountability, and freedom demand, both abroad and at home. The interview in this episode first aired in March 2026.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong>: </p> <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://youtu.be/6pQxb_lAncM">The Skepchic Rebecca Watson on Graham Platner</a> | <a href= "https://fielhouston.org/">FIEL Houston</a> | <a href= "https://www.neighborsfornilu.org/">Nilu Jenks</a> | <a href= "https://www.blacklensnews.com/stories/2025/aug/03/toni-morrisons-10-steps-toward-fascism/"> Ten steps towards fascism</a> | <a href= "https://quotesgram.com/img/rumi-out-beyond-quotes/6118204/">Rumi</a> | <a href= "https://mynorthwest.com/kiro/watch/seattle-just-had-its-first-murder-free-month-since-1970/019f3dd1-9060-8008-f256-cac1d1345b1d"> Seattle's 1st homicide-free month since 1970</a> | <a href= "https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2026-07-02/why-hotels-theme-parks-and-summer-camps-are-harder-to-access"> Bloomberg: The Fun Shortage is Real</a> | </p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Support the pod</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr">Donate <a href= "https://venmo.com/u/inthemeanwhilepodcast">here</a> to support In The Meanwhile</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Follow us</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.instagram.com/inthemeanwhilepodcast">Instagram</a> | <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/inthemeanwhile.bsky.social">BlueSky</a> | <a href="https://www.inthe-meanwhile.com/">Website</a></p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Read Nora and Marcus's Books</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9780262548038">Crowded Out:</a> The True Costs of Crowdfunding Healthcare | <a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9781609441432">Readying to Rise</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Used with permission.</p> <p dir="ltr">Logo by Nikki Barron.</p> <p dir="ltr">Transcripts are machine-generated and imperfect.</p> <p dir="ltr">Nora and Marcus's work on the podcast is separate from their professional roles and does not represent the views of their employers. </p> <p dir="ltr">Links to <a href= "http://bookshop.org">bookshop.org</a> are affiliate links.</p>
July 3, 2026
Ep 58: America, It's Time for Us to Grow Up with Eddie S. Glaude Jr.
<p dir="ltr">What does it mean to celebrate America at 250 if we've never been honest about the story we've been telling ourselves?</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Eddie Glaude Jr. for a conversation that's equal parts history lesson, therapy session, and reality check. Drawing from his new book, America, U.S.A.: How Race Shadows the Nation's Anniversaries, Glaude argues that America's biggest problem isn't that we don't know our history. It's that we're deeply invested in the fairy tale version of it.</p> <p dir="ltr">Together they explore why Glaude won't say he loves America, why he refuses to give up on it, what Frederick Douglass still demands of us 250 years after the nation's founding, and why growing up as a country means letting go of comforting myths. Along the way, they wrestle with grief, patriotism, memory, James Baldwin, Juneteenth, raising children in uncertain times, and the difference between loving a nation and loving its people.</p> <p dir="ltr">One of the most vulnerable conversations we've had on In the Meanwhile, it's less an interview than an invitation to confront the stories we've inherited and decide whether we're finally ready to write a more honest one.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong>: </p> <p dir="ltr">SCOTUS: <a href= "https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-trump-immigration-c73cf0c70bb550ebf0a55fafddbd935c"> Birthright Citizenship</a> * <a href= "https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-campaign-finance-party-spending-ohio-91e49ee112197ae1210a9abfa46986ed"> Campaign Finance</a> * <a href= "https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-transgender-athletes-school-teams-e01548be1fc0f574d9c274e077414075"> Trans Athletes in Schools</a> | <a href= "https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/05/trump-250-truth/687384/"> The Atlantic: Trump's 250th is a FIasco</a> | <a href= "https://people.com/cow-named-after-melania-trump-is-featured-at-great-american-state-fair-12009137"> Melania the cow</a> | <a href= "https://www.thepinknews.com/2026/06/08/georgia-pride-march-disrupted-by-group-displaying-swastika-flag-and-nazi-salutes/"> Civic Bravery at Georgia Pride</a> | <a href= "https://youtu.be/xKLurpTVxFI">Civic Bravery episode</a> | <a href= "https://www.instagram.com/reels/DaJrndfOsDE/">Fruity Farm Tennessee</a> | <a href= "https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/06/trump-250-pardons-250th-birthday/687736/"> White House considering issuing 250 pardons</a> | <a href= "https://www.npr.org/2026/06/26/nx-s1-5871369/new-york-ice-instagram-immigration-dhs-paigelynne-gonyea"> DHS tracked down Pagelynn Gonlea</a> | <a href= "https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines"> Prairieland Sentencing</a> | <a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9780593239803">America, U.S.A.: How Race Shadows the Nation's Anniversaries</a> | <a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9780525575337">Begin Again: James Baldwin's America and Its Urgent Lessons for Our Own</a> | Randall Robinson <a href= "https://www.abebooks.com/9780525947585/Quitting-America-Departure-Black-Man-0525947582/plp"> Quitting America</a> | <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt">Hannah Arendt</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin">James Baldwin</a> | <a href= "https://www.primoartists.com/artists/joel-thompson">Joel Thompson</a> | <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coker_(poem)">East Coker by T.S. Eliot</a> | <a href= "https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/30/warren-buffett-delays-gates-foundation-donation-epstein-review.html"> Buffet pausing giving to Gates</a> | </p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Support the pod</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr">Donate <a href= "https://venmo.com/u/inthemeanwhilepodcast">here</a> to support In The Meanwhile</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Follow us</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.instagram.com/inthemeanwhilepodcast">Instagram</a> | <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/inthemeanwhile.bsky.social">BlueSky</a> | <a href="https://www.inthe-meanwhile.com/">Website</a></p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Read Nora and Marcus's Books</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9780262548038">Crowded Out:</a> The True Costs of Crowdfunding Healthcare | <a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9781609441432">Readying to Rise</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Used with permission.</p> <p dir="ltr">Logo by Nikki Barron.</p> <p dir="ltr">Transcripts are machine-generated and imperfect.</p> <p dir="ltr">Nora and Marcus's work on the podcast is separate from their professional roles and does not represent the views of their employers. </p> <p dir="ltr">Links to <a href= "http://bookshop.org">bookshop.org</a> are affiliate links.</p>
June 26, 2026
Ep 57: Better a Radical than a Pushover with Pramila Jayapal
<p dir="ltr">This week Nora and Marcus speak with Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal about what Democrats keep getting wrong, why "moderation" so often means surrendering before the fight starts, and whether the left might finally be done asking permission to act like it has a spine. We talk Medicare for All, immigration, trans rights, the Epstein files, and the political class's ongoing refusal to understand that people would, in fact, like to afford housing and remain in possession of their civil rights. Jayapal makes the case for a Democratic Party that actually delivers, a politics rooted in moral clarity rather than consultant leftovers, and a version of hope that feels less Hallmark card, more organized resistance.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong>: </p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/23/nyregion/primary-elections-ny-maryland-utah"> Leftward wave in Democratic primaries!</a> | <a href= "https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-scraps-housing-bill-signing-to-pressure-senate-gop-on-save-act"> 21st Century Road to Housing vs. Save America Acts</a> | <a href= "https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/05/21/polls/times-siena-poll-democrats-crosstabs.html"> NYT Siena poll about Dems & socialism</a> | <a href= "https://seattlepride.org/">Seattle Pride</a> | <a href= "https://www.theurbanist.org/seattle-light-rail-and-scootershare-smash-ridership-records-buoyed-by-friday-world-cup-match/"> Seattle broke two public transit records last week</a> | <a href= "https://monocle.com/design/seattle-waterfront-park-by-field-operations/"> Seattle's waterfront park</a></p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Support the pod</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr">Donate <a href= "https://venmo.com/u/inthemeanwhilepodcast">here</a> to support In The Meanwhile</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Follow us</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.instagram.com/inthemeanwhilepodcast">Instagram</a> | <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/inthemeanwhile.bsky.social">BlueSky</a> | <a href="https://www.inthe-meanwhile.com/">Website</a></p> <p dir="ltr"><strong>Read Nora and Marcus's Books</strong>:</p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9780262548038">Crowded Out:</a> The True Costs of Crowdfunding Healthcare | <a href= "https://bookshop.org/a/113982/9781609441432">Readying to Rise</a></p> <p dir="ltr">Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Used with permission.</p> <p dir="ltr">Logo by Nikki Barron.</p> <p dir="ltr">Transcripts are machine-generated and imperfect.</p> <p dir="ltr">Nora and Marcus's work on the podcast is separate from their professional roles and does not represent the views of their employers. </p> <p dir="ltr">Links to <a href= "http://bookshop.org">bookshop.org</a> are affiliate links.</p>
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