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In the Sandbox
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Recent Episodes
May 27, 2026
In the Sandbox Season 3 : Episode 9 Bishop Berlin of the Florida Episcopal Area of the United Methodist Church
Hosts Matt Rawle and Rachel Billups interview Bishop Tom Berlin of the Florida Episcopal Area of the United Methodist Church about how his business/public administration background helped him navigate local-church leadership and conference systems, emphasizing organizational health, financial and human sustainability, and the importance of culture in change. Berlin contrasts the nimbleness of local churches with the slower “aircraft carrier” dynamics of annual conferences, describing how leaders must adapt, build trust, and empower clergy and laity rather than rely on personality-driven leadership. He discusses risk-taking grounded in shared values and identity, including managing disaffiliation and launching Wesleyan-focused initiatives like “Wesleyan Rooted” and “Awakened to Grace,” with sermon series, devotions, and an app. Berlin names adaptive challenges such as Christian nationalism, societal division, weariness, and reaching younger generations, while encouraging experimentation (including Fresh Expressions), hopeful discipleship, and careful communication on issues like immigration. 00:00 Meet Bishop Tom Berlin 01:52 Business Degree to Ministry 04:03 Local Church vs Conference 06:41 Adapting as a Bishop 08:54 Risk and Shared Values 11:33 Disaffiliation and Wesleyan Roots 15:06 From Hero to We 16:52 Budget Cuts and Adaptive Work 18:54 Markers of Health and Sustainability 21:44 Discipleship in a Changed Culture 23:57 Division and Burnout 25:40 Hard Conversations Wisely 28:45 Agency and Real Support 30:40 Fresh Expressions Momentum 31:21 No Innovation Police 33:38 Hope as a Discipline 34:46 Lightning Round Fun 39:10 Where to Find Tom 40:30 Prayer and Sendoff
May 20, 2026
In the Sandbox Season 3 : Episode 8 | Benj Miller, Founder of System & Soul
Hosts Matt Rawle and Rachel Billups interview business strategist and System and Soul founder Benj Miller about building organizations that balance effective systems with human-centered culture. Benj traces his entrepreneurial start to resourcefulness and a desire to work independently, then describes a pivotal identity crisis and coaching conversation centered on three questions—who am I, why do I matter, and who is my audience—leading him to ground identity in his Heavenly Father. He connects identity to leadership behaviors, warning that fragile identity produces defensiveness, control, and fear, and explains how identity statements help leaders face failure as events rather than personal labels. Benj emphasizes investing in multiple coaches, engineering boundaries to avoid founders “building their own prison,” and defining success beyond society’s metrics, using a “front burner” metaphor for seasonal priorities. For executing big ideas, he advocates collaboration, hiring for execution, market validation, and securing prepaying customers to fund and prove demand. 00:00 Meet Benj Miller 02:18 How He Helped a Church 03:06 Entrepreneurial Spark 04:59 Crisis and Inflection 06:44 Three Identity Questions 09:18 Identity Drives Change 11:04 Why Leaders Need Coaches 13:18 Fragile Identity Pitfalls 15:33 Stop Leading With Resume 18:33 Walking In Regulated 20:35 Enneagram and Closing Banter 21:22 Failure Without Shame 22:49 Redefining Success Seasons 25:19 Retreats And Recenter 27:19 Sweet Spot Family Wins 29:11 From Ideas To Execution 33:14 Risk Fears And Boundaries 37:08 Enneagram And Lightning Round 41:32 Where To Find Benj 41:53 Prayer And Farewell
May 13, 2026
In the Sandbox Season 3 : Episode 7 with Matt Miofsky from The Gathering
On the In the Sandbox podcast, hosts Matt Rawle and Rachel Billups interview Matt Miofsky, founding pastor of The Gathering in St. Louis (launched around 2006) and author of The Methodist Book of Daily Prayer. Miofsky describes starting a church in a declining city and fusing passionate, relevant worship and strong ministries with a more open theology as both opportunity and risk. He recounts personally struggling in the first 18 months—overwork, strain on marriage and family, possible depression—and nearly quitting before a district superintendent helped him pursue healthier habits, mentoring, and therapy. He explains choosing a collaborative, multi-site model to develop leaders and ensure long-term sustainability, using growth, finances, and volunteer support as criteria. He emphasizes measuring ministry with both quantitative and qualitative indicators, normalizing risk-taking and learning from failure, and closes with a lightning round and prayer. 00:00 Welcome to the Sandbox 01:35 Why Start the Gathering 03:58 Fusing Two Church Worlds 05:49 Early Success Personal Strain 08:50 Quitting and Turning Point 11:43 Leading with Boundaries 14:14 Multisite Collaboration Vision 17:31 Sustainable Sites and Staffing 20:25 Failure as Innovation Fuel 21:12 Doing What Others Wont 21:32 When to Pivot 23:10 Risky Church Moves 26:32 Measuring Ministry Success 29:51 Where to Find Matt 31:44 Lightning Round Fun 36:09 Calculated Risk vs Reckless 37:39 Prayer and Sendoff
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