In This Moment brings hosts Janet M. Stovall, CDE and Khalil Smith together with diversity, equity and inclusion professionals from around the world to broker candid, incisive conversations about the future of equity in an unsettled world.
Building Skyscrapers in Earthquake Zones: Season 2 Wrap-Up
Hosts Janet and Khalil summarize season two of their podcast, highlighting the importance of teamwork, data-driven decisions, and strategic action for building resilient leadership in diversity, equity, and inclusion.
9 Dec 2025
Global Workplace Excellence: Navigating Divergent Paths with Data
Pam Jeffords, Managing Partner of BE Labs, examines the evolving landscape of data collection, trust, and authentic leadership in global DEI work, offering insights on fostering inclusive environments in this interview.
2 Dec 2025
Inclusion by Design: Building Sustainable Workplace Cultures
LaQuenta Jacobs, former VP at Kimberly-Clark, explores how companies can build sustainable workplace cultures by embedding inclusion into core systems, ensuring cultural alignment and maintaining market connection in this interview.
25 Nov 2025
Strategic repositioning: From social justice to business performance
Andrés Tapia discusses the shift of diversity and inclusion from social justice to a business imperative, urging leaders to adapt and foster inclusive environments in this interview.
18 Nov 2025
Proving human value: Data strategies for the AI economy
Zachary Nunn, CEO of Living Corporate, examines AI's impact on the job market, emphasizing the need for diversity, ethical considerations, and change management in organizations, in an interview.
11 Nov 2025
Mid-Season Check-In: From Reaction to Redesign
Janet M. Stovall and Khalil Smith discuss shifting DEI strategies from reactive measures to proactive redesigns, offering insights for creating more inclusive environments in this interview.
4 Nov 2025
S2 E6: Every company is a tech company now. Where are the women?
Industry experts examine the underrepresentation of women in AI and tech roles, highlighting the importance of diversity, networking, and positive work environments in today's tech-driven landscape in this interview.
28 Oct 2025
Public Policy & Workplace Excellence: Preparing for Government Pressures
Tom Moore, Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, examines the pressure organizations may face from the federal government, emphasizing proactive strategies and collective action in this interview.
21 Oct 2025
Courageous Conversations: Navigating Workplace Communication in Polarized Times
Allison Schlobohm, clinical associate professor, examines strategies for navigating difficult workplace conversations during politically polarized times, emphasizing courageous communication and generational shifts in an interview.
14 Oct 2025
S2 E3: We Want You - Turning Powerful People Into Powerful Allies
Inclusive leadership trainer Julie Kratz discusses the complexities of DEI efforts, emphasizing the importance of engaging powerful people in the conversation and fostering a supportive environment through allyship in this interview.
7 Oct 2025
S2E2: Strategic Foresight - Planning for Workplace Excellence's Next 24 Months with Valeria Lassiter
Leadership expert Valeria Lassiter joins Khalil and Janet to examine adaptive capacity, perspective taking, and revisiting organizational values for leaders navigating uncertain times in this interview.
29 Sept 2025
What's Next? What's Now? Mapping the Future of Workplace Excellence
Hosts Janet and Khalil explore how organizations utilize data to cultivate inclusive workplace cultures across diverse countries, emphasizing trust in data and the role of AI in decision-making in this interview.
5 Mar 2025
Episode Six: Diversity is Destiny
In this conversation, Khalil Smith and Janet M. Stovall reflect on their experiences and insights regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. They discuss the challenges of maintaining personal well-being while engaging in this important work, the role of businesses in driving social change, and the necessity of understanding value in the workplace. The conversation also touches on the importance of knowing when to move on from a role and the motivation behind pursuing meaningful work.
18 Feb 2025
Episode Five: Speaking the Unspoken with Dr. Ella Washington
In this episode of 'In This Moment', Janet Stovall speaks with Dr. Ella Washington, an organizational psychologist and author, about the complexities of inclusion in the workplace. They discuss the unspoken rules that often govern corporate culture, the dual nature of inclusion as both an action and a feeling, and the importance of authenticity in navigating less inclusive environments.
Dr. Washington emphasizes the need for individuals and organizations to actively engage in creating inclusive cultures, especially in the current climate where diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts are under scrutiny. The conversation highlights practical strategies for fostering belonging and understanding the hidden dynamics that can hinder progress in workplace inclusion.
5 Feb 2025
Episode Four: Exploring Identity Months
In this episode, Khalil and Janet discuss the significance of identity months, particularly Black History Month, and how organizations can approach these celebrations authentically and meaningfully. They introduce the concept of 'Black Hindsight Month' to emphasize the importance of connecting historical contributions to present and future actions. The conversation highlights the need for relevance in identity celebrations, the importance of the Depth Model for planning, and the necessity of making these months inclusive and impactful for all employees. The episode concludes with a call to action for organizations to engage their employees and create a lasting impact beyond just one month of recognition.
Takeaways
Identity months should be relevant to everyone, not just specific groups.
Black History Month can be reframed as Black Hindsight Month to connect past contributions to present actions.
Organizations should use identity months to challenge biases and promote understanding.
The Depth Model emphasizes being deliberate, educated, purposeful, tailored, and habitual in celebrating identity months.
Authenticity in approach is crucial; actions must align with words.
Celebrations should not be superficial or merely performative.
Engaging employees in planning can enhance the relevance of identity months.
Organizations have a unique opportunity to shape narratives during identity months.
It's important to create a sense of community while also pushing for change.
The impact of identity months should extend beyond the month itself.
29 Jan 2025
Episode Three: The Burnout is Real
In this episode, Khalil and Janet discuss the pressing issue of burnout in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) work, particularly in light of recent political changes affecting DEI initiatives. They explore the different groups experiencing DEI fatigue, the importance of diverse narratives, and strategies for managing burnout. The conversation emphasizes the need for a data-driven approach to DEI, shifting the narrative to highlight its business value, and integrating DEI practices into organizational frameworks.
Key Takeaways
Burnout in DEI work is a significant and real issue.
Recent political changes have created a climate of fear and uncertainty in DEI efforts.
Different groups experience DEI fatigue in unique ways.
Diversity fatigue is a growing concern among those involved in DEI work.
The narrative around DEI needs to shift from emotional appeals to objective business cases.
Data is crucial in demonstrating the value of diversity in organizations.
Organizations must focus on strategic actions to combat burnout.
Self-care is essential for those working in DEI to sustain their efforts.
The integration of DEI into business practices is necessary for long-term success.
We must recognize that DEI work benefits everyone, not just marginalized groups.
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22 Jan 2025
Episode Two: How to Speak Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
In this episode, Janet and Khalil explore the significance of language in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) discussions.
They critique the term 'belonging' and propose 'inclusillience' as a more actionable concept.
The conversation emphasizes the need for clear definitions and measurable actions in DEI initiatives, arguing that inclusion should be prioritized over belonging.
They also discuss the evolution of DEI terminology and the importance of aligning language with organizational values to drive meaningful change.
15 Jan 2025
Episode One: DEI Under Fire - Retreat or Resist?
In this episode of the In This Moment podcast, hosts Khalil and Janet discuss the current state of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives in major corporations, particularly in light of recent backtracking by companies like Meta and Amazon.
They explore the different types of companies in the DEI journey, the challenges of sustaining DEI efforts, and the importance of integrating DEI into the core business strategy. The conversation emphasizes the need for organizations to understand the impact of diversity on their bottom line and the necessity of fostering an inclusive culture to achieve meaningful change.
In this conversation, Khalil and Janet explore the critical role of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in business, emphasizing the need for a strong business case for diversity. They discuss the influence of founder-led tech companies on DEI initiatives and the significant impact of leadership on organizational culture. The conversation also addresses the challenges employees face in aligning personal values with their workplace and offers actionable steps for individuals to advocate for DEI within their organizations.
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6 Jan 2025
In This Moment: The Introduction
Summary
In this episode, Janet and Khalil explore the current challenges and opportunities in the DEI landscape. They discuss the prevailing mood of threat and uncertainty, the role of workplaces in fostering diversity and inclusion, and the concept of regression to the mean in the context of equity. The conversation emphasizes the need for sustainable change and the importance of reframing DEI discussions to address systemic inequities effectively.
Takeaways
DEI challenges are more pressing than ever.
The current mood is characterized by a sense of threat.
Workplaces are unique spaces for learning and interaction.
Equity is seen as a disruption in an inequitable world.
Inequity is the default state in society.
Acknowledging inequity is the first step towards change.
Sustainable change requires consistent effort and commitment.
Reframing DEI conversations can lead to better outcomes.
Humor is essential in navigating DEI discussions.
This podcast aims to explore DEI in a fresh and honest way.
Who has been a guest on In This Moment - A New Perspective on DEI
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Pam Jeffords
LaQuenta Jacobs
Andrés Tapia
Zachary Nunn
Tom Moore
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Apple Podcasts (US)
5.0 / 5
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Spotify
4.8 / 5
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