
In Too Deep
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<p>We explore how changemakers across the globe are engaging complexity to tackle tough issues. Created by the team at Kumu.io </p>
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Recent Episodes

December 8, 2025
Reimagining the future through systems change | Episode 16
What happens after the systems map is complete? An increasing number of organizations understand the value of engaging with complexity, but the challenge comes when, after doing systems analysis, people fall back into the usual plan-control-implement-measure approach. Treating complexity as if it were just... "complicated". In this episode, Jeff Mohr speaks with Viliana Dzhartova, co-founder of ReImagined Futures, about what it truly takes to move from systems analysis to systems change. Th...

July 23, 2025
The systems behind the symptoms | Episode 15
What if the real problem isn’t what we think it is? When simple solutions don’t actually move the needle, it’s often a sign we’re treating symptoms, not systems. In this episode, Jeff Mohr talks with Matt Healey, founder of First Person Consulting, about how systems thinking and evaluation can help us move beyond surface-level problems. They explore: The difference between program evaluation and systems evaluationMoving from problems to possibilitiesMonitoring system health and finding levera...

May 7, 2025
Creating new patterns for learning and leading | Episode 14
What patterns are shaping how we learn, lead, and live, and how might we begin to shift them? In this week’s episode, we’re joined by Jessica Kiessel from (Re)Patterning Lab. Jessica stewards spaces and builds infrastructure to support the learning, creativity, and shapeshifting needed to live into the patterns we hope to see in the world, both for individuals as well as inside organizations. Tune in to explore more around: Seeing and making patternsBuilding containers for learningPoking at o...
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<p>We explore how changemakers across the globe are engaging complexity to tackle tough issues. Created by the team at Kumu.io </p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
This podcast updates bi-weekly.
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