Included: The Podcast

About Included: The Podcast

Conversations toward a greater understanding of the inclusive love of Jesus, unpacking the mystery and wonder of the Word of God, for those seeking an affirming equitable Salvation Army… for others. Thanks for joining. We invite you to take a posture of listening, and exploring, as we seek, together, the good news for the whosoever.

Publisher

Included

Category

religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

19 Jul 2022

Latest episode

21 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

21 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   21 Sept 2026

   When Belonging Breaks: Losing Church But Holding Faith

   Imagine if the leaders of your church met to discuss intimate details about your daughter, restrict her participation and erase her from its membership, without speaking to her, or you. Lia, from Chicago USA, was a lifelong Salvationist. So were her parents, Angelina and Jason. "Army through and through," as Angelina puts it. Lia became a senior soldier (uniformed member) because faith expressed through service mattered to her. She was a gifted musician, repeatedly representing The Salvation Army at the Rose Parade.Then she came out as transgender, and was told she could no longer be a soldier, could no longer participate in the Parade, could no longer be a part of her Corps (church) band and would lose all aspects of her leadership and participation.There is nothing in The Salvation Army's Orders & Regulations that says a transgender person cannot be a soldier. Transgender soldiers serve in corps around the world. There was no policy basis for the decision made about Lia, no consultation with her or her family, no explanation given. Despite senior leaders of The Salvation Army meeting to discuss Lia's situation, nothing would be put in writing and there would be no path to appeal. The decision was final. This happened to a young person at one of the most vulnerable moments of her life, coming into her own identity, inside the only church she had ever known. What followed has been two years of silence from The Salvation Army leadership, while a family who had given their lives to this movement lost their belonging, their community, and nearly their faith.In this episode, Kris and Christina sit with Angelina and Jason as they talk about what it costs when a church cannot see the gifts of the person blossoming in front of it, and about the faith that, somehow, they have held onto.Prior to the recording and publication of this episode - over many months, beginning in December 2024 - the Included Team attempted to make contact with International Headquarters, USA National Headquarters and USA Western Territorial Headquarters to advocate for, garner pastoral support for and seek answers for Lia. No response was received.

2. 

   17 May 2026

   Hidden in Plain Sight: Good News Through Diversity | Captain Kris Halliday

   “Look for the man carrying the clay jar. Follow him.” It’s a tiny line in the Gospel of Mark that most people miss — yet it may completely reshape how we think about belonging, diversity and the way of Jesus. In this thoughtful and hope-filled reflection, Captain Kris Halliday from Australia explores two often-overlooked figures in Scripture: the man carrying the jar before the Last Supper, and the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. What if the people pushed to the edges of religion were never outside the story of God at all — but were helping carry it forward? A reflective episode about faith, exclusion, dignity, discipleship and the radically inclusive movement of Jesus.

3. 

   6 Dec 2025

   “I apologise”. Chick Yuill Addresses Battle Orders

   In one of the most powerful moments in the story of Included, Chick Yuill joined a global webinar in 2021 to discuss the harmful writing in Battle Orders. Throughout the 90’s, and still in some places today, Chick’s training manual was the key learning material for new Soldiers (members) of The Salvation Army. In it are words that are etched in the minds of LGBTQIA+ Salvationists around the world, words which not only harmed them directly, but led to countless others being emboldened in homophobia. It’s a legacy that Chick is not proud of and in this replay of that 2021 online conference, Chick offers a heartfelt apology and takes us through his journey of exploration since - explaining that were he to write it again today, it would be a very different message. He then offers a bold and prophetic vision for the future of The Salvation Army. We’re thankful to Chick for his humility, for his grace is joining us for this conversation  and for his openness to continual dialogue. If you’d like to chat with someone from the Included team about anything in this discussion, reach out at team@includedpage.com The original video of this conversation and more LGBTQIA+ affirming content is available on our webpage www.includedpage.com or Facebook.com/includedpage

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