Inclusion for All Radio is a podcast and story-sharing series that seeks to project the voice of the poor and marginalized groups in Nigeria, highlighting the barriers that keep them excluded from formal financial services. The goal is to ensure all relevant stakeholders cannot avoid hearing the voice of the poor:
Formal Exclusion Threat To Vulnerable Nigerians: The NIN-BVN Tier-1KYC Lens
What we know: 29% of adult Nigerians do not have a NIN (National Identity Number) and 51% do not have a Bank Verification Number (BVN) . More than half of those without NIN or BVN fall in in the poor to poorest bracket living predominantly in the North.
On Episode 14 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and the Inclusion for all Advocacy Lead at EFInA, is joined by Mr. Sarafadeen Fasasi - the national president of the Association of Mobile Money Agents in Nigeria (AMMBAN).
Listen to the full conversation to learn more about the challenges being encountered to ensure adult banked Nigerians comply; and the risk of further exclusion posed, should the regulatory directive not be implemented with the poorest populations in mind.
16 Feb 2024
Formal exclusion threat to the most vulnerable Nigerians: The NIN-SIM ban lens
What we know: 47.7% of unbanked Nigerians, predominantly marginalised groups do not have a National Identity Number (NIN), which is now one of the key requirements for opening even a tier-1 (easy access) bank account.
On Episode 13 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and the Inclusion for all Advocacy Lead at EFInA, is joined by Isa Aliyushata, the Vice Chairman of the Association of Licensed Mobile Payment Operators (ALMPO). ALMPO is the umbrella body for all mobile money operators licensed by the Central Bank of Nigeria.
Listen to the full conversation and learn more about the implications of the NIN-SIM Ban on the marginalized populations and what it means for financial inclusion.
2 Feb 2024
Utilizing Data To Accelerate Financial And Ecomonic Inclusion In Nigeria
What we know: Formal inclusion has increased from 56% to 64%, and this is something to celebrate, however, expanding formal access to 64% is only the beginning. We need the ecosystem to do more to give the last mile access, and we need to focus on deepening inclusion for those with access - Savings, pensions, and insurance adoption remain much lower than required to achieve resilience.
On Episode 12 of Inclusion for All Radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and the Inclusion for All Advocacy Lead at EFInA, is joined by Oluwatomi Eromosele (PhD.), who is the Access to Finance (A2F) Research Lead and General Manager at EFInA. Oluwatomi shares key highlights from the 2023 A2F Survey and how various actors in the ecosystem can leverage the demand-side data for meaningful and impactful outcomes in Nigeria’s socio-economic development.
9 Oct 2023
Conversations Across State Lines - Kaduna State’s Digital ID Journey
What we know: A foundational identity system that encourages inclusiveness and aligns with best practices is critical to participating in the formal economy. Formal ID confers recognition by government and service providers and enables access to a host of services - financial, health, education, and social safety nets.
On Episode 11 of Inclusion for All Radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and Head of Inclusion for all Initiative, is joined by Zayyad Tsiga, Ph.D. - the Executive Secretary of the Kaduna State Residents Identity Management Agency (KADRIMA). Zayyad shares the Kaduna State Digital ID journey highlighting the success factors and their approach of a sustainable path to a secure and cost-effective data management system by collaborating with NIMC (National Identity Management Commission). Listen to this episode, the first in a series of curated conversations and lessons across states in Nigeria on their digital ID journeys.
23 Jun 2023
USSD Dilemma and the Threat to Financial Inclusion in Nigeria
A significant proportion of the banked populations in underserved communities are more likely to have access to or own basic and feature phones and thus rely on the use of the USSD services for basic banking services.
On Episode 10 of Inclusion for all radio - Henry Chukwu, a Digital Financial Services expert with over a decade of experience in digital finance, policy advocacy and program management in the financial inclusion ecosystem; joins podcast host Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo in this conversation. Henry sheds light on the dynamics of the ongoing disagreement between the Telcos and the Banks and what a USSD service cut-off could spell for Nigeria’s financial inclusion objectives
21 Mar 2023
NIGERIAN NAIRA REDESIGN: Impact On Women In Rural Communities
What we know:
Since the implementation of the policy in December 2022, when the new naira notes were released – there has been a myriad of deadlines, and deadline extensions restrictions, coupled with the limited supply of the new notes which paved the way for arbitrage and extortion by people who had access to the new naira notes.
In Episode 9 of the Inclusion for all podcast series, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and the head of Inclusion for all Initiative, is joined by Dr. Osasuyi Dirisu, a gender and inclusion expert who currently serves as the Executive Director at the Policy Innovation Centre.
Dr. Osasuyi brings a gender lens to the Naira redesign conversation – sharing firsthand encounters with the barriers that limit the access of women in rural communities to formal services.
13 Feb 2023
Nigeria Naira Redesign: Informal Groups in a Cashless Economy- The Trust Quotent
What we know: A lack of trust in the financial system is a recurring and critical barrier to financial Inclusion. Given the Central Bank of Nigeria's 10-day deadline following the inability to get both old and new naira notes, and the persistent long queues at bank branches and ATMs, the informal groups are more likely to be affected in the transition to a cashless economy.
On Episode 8 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and Head of Financial Inclusion for all Initiative, is joined by Titilola Feyijimi - Chief Operating Officer at Ajo Card, an indigenous digital financial platform created to deliver financial services to the underserved population.
Titilola shares her concerns highlighting the impact of the transition to a cashless economy in engendering a lack of trust in the formal financial sector. With recurring failed transactions and relative issues in the banking sector, she discusses the role of the government in addressing these issues to encourage more transactions, particularly from the informal groups who are not adequately educated, aware of the policy and believe "cash is king."
26 Jan 2023
The Nigerian Naira redesign series: Effectiveness of the CBN Cash Swap Initiative for Rural Areas
What we know: There’s a significant gap in the agent network distribution target the CBN has set for the country, and the gaps are more pronounced in rural locations.
On Episode 7 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and Head, of Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by Victor Olojo - the serving National President/Chairman, of the Association of Mobile Money and Bank Agents in Nigeria (AMMBAN) to discuss the “EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CBN CASH SWAP INITIATIVE FOR VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES''.
Based on what we know, we are concerned about how effective the commendable effort of the CBN to reach the poorest through the cash swap program will be. Victor speaks passionately about the challenges that may be encountered due to the time frame limitation and the likelihood of not reaching the groups that need it the most.
At Inclusion for all, we continue to represent and amplify the voices of those we care about – and the Naira redesign has led to a series of conversations on how we can reduce the impact on the poorest
14 Dec 2022
The Nigerian Naira Redesign Series: Enabling Financial Inclusion Or Extenuating Financial Exclusion?
What we know: 54% of the unbanked poor population (unbanked adults who live below the PPI poverty line) in the EFInA 2020 survey indicated their preference as saving their money in a safe place at home or carrying it around, suggesting the existential cash culture amongst the unbanked
On Episode 7 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and Head, Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined Professor Olayinka David- West, the Associate Dean of the Lagos Business School (LBS) in Nigeria where she leads the Sustainable and Inclusive Digital Financial Services (SIDFS) initiative, a research, advocacy and capacity building initiative dedicated to enhancing financial inclusion in Nigeria.
Professor David-West sets the perfect tone for further conversations about the Naira redesign directive by the CBN. She shares from her wealth of knowledge of how the directive aids financial inclusion but even with the best intentions still poses the risk of widening the exclusion gap if certain actions are not taken.
At Inclusion for all - conversations on topical issues that could disproportionately affect the vulnerable populations remain important; as we use our platform to dimension the issues using reliable data insights in addition to views from various ecosystem actors, to deepen our knowledge of the issue and guide recommendations. This is one of such conversation, as we start the Naira redesign series and continue to deepen our knowledge and understanding of the plight of low-income groups.
12 Sept 2022
Financial Inclusion In Nigeria - Stories Behind The Numbers (FINDEX 2021)
What we know: The majority of unbanked adults continue to be women even in economies that have successfully increased account ownership and have a small share of unbanked adults
On Episode 5 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - podcast host and Head, of Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by Tolulope Babajide - a gender specialist with experience in gender programming, financial inclusion, and agricultural livelihoods.
Tolulope is the Gender Network Manager at FSD Africa where she works primarily on the Gender Collaborative Programme, across the 10 Financial Sector Deepening Organisations in Africa.
She shares stories from her field experience to highlight why the inclusion gender gap persists in Nigeria and what roles relevant stakeholders must play to address the gap.
We will continue to lend our voice and support to conversations and causes that seek to remove the barriers hindering the formal inclusion of the marginalized groups – until change happens.
13 Jul 2022
NIN-SIM Call Barring- Role Of The Telcos
What we know: The decision taken by NIMC/the Ministry of Communications and Digital Economy on April 4 to disconnect mobile lines yet to link their NIN to their SIM cards immediately restricted the services of more than 30 million Nigerian mobile phone users.
On Episode 4 of Inclusion for all radio, Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo - host and Head, Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by Chief Adeolu Ogunbanjo - President of the National Association of Telecommunications Subscribers of Nigeria (NATCOMS) an advocacy platform representing the plight of all telephone subscribers in Nigeria.
Chief Ogunbanjo shares his views on the plight of Nigerians especially the rural communities, whom he strongly believes are disproportionately affected by the implementation of the NIN-SIM Call ban. He also comments on the roles of the key stakeholders including the Telecom Operators.
As we continue to explore and understand the roles of key stakeholders in ensuring the poor do not get left behind – the NIN registration and verification capacity constraints are also highlighted, questioning the timing of the ban and if the desired outcomes by the Federal government will be achieved effectively.
1 Jun 2022
Formal Inclusion Of Poor And Vulnerable Nigerians - Who Should Care?
In this episode - Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo, podcast host and the Head, Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by Adédèjì Ọlọ́wẹ̀ to discuss “Who should care about including the poorest and vulnerable Nigerians in the formal sector”?
Adédèjì Ọlọ́wẹ̀ is the founder of Lendsqr, the lending infrastructure fintech powering African lenders to lend at scale. He has almost two decades of experience in banking and alongside other industry veterans, founded Open Banking Nigeria, the nonprofit driving the development and adoption of a common API standard for the Nigerian financial industry.
Nigeria cannot attain its full potential developmentally if a significant proportion of its population remains in the informal sector. It is therefore to everyone’s long term advantage to ensure that the poor and marginalized communities are not left out of any process that enables their inclusion into the formal sector.
In a nutshell – we all should care and play our roles in ensuring the poor do not remain excluded.
28 Apr 2022
NIN-SIM Link Call Barring: What it means for Nigeria's Vulnerable Populations
On this episode - Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo, podcast host and the Head, Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by Aisha Ahmed to discuss the recent NIN-SIM linkage call barring and how it’s affecting people in hard-to-reach locations.
Aisha Ahmed is the CEO and Chairperson of Murna Foundation, a Non-Governmental Organization that provides NIN enrolment services across 34 LGAs in Katsina. Aisha in her role as a NIN front- end enrolment partner, shares firsthand what the ban means to the members of the communities she serves and highlights some key gaps in the NIN-SIM linkage process.
While we see the good intention of the government to curb insecurity challenges, enrollment for digital ID must be inclusive and non-discriminatory if the program is to yield results; but current processes and standards are not sufficiently tailored to the needs of different segments especially rural poor populations, in other words, the current ID enrollment framework presents barriers that disproportionately disadvantage the poor and vulnerable populations. The NIN-SIM call barring has further highlighted this gap.
30 Mar 2022
Enable Access to ID for Women in Vulnerable Communities
What we know:
Approximately 76% of the poorest women do not have ID nationwide. Women, dependents, independent traders, and rural populations are considerably more likely to be excluded from Nigeria’s identity system. Wealth, gender, and education all play an important role in determining how acute the problem is.
On this episode - Chinasa Collins-Ogbuo, podcast host and the Head, of Inclusion for all Initiative; is joined by two distinguished women to discuss breaking the bias and enabling ID access for women in vulnerable communities in Nigeria.
Suwaiba Muhammad Dankabo -Programmes Director at ActionAid Nigeria, who is an expert in Rural and Sustainable Development and has worked directly with people living in poverty and exclusion for over two decades. Suwaiba contributes to the topic by highlighting the nuanced reasons women remain excluded from ID ownership and how to address them.
Keziah Damina is the Desk Officer for the Conditional Cash Transfer Program in Chikun Local Government, Kaduna State. Keziah shares firsthand stories of the impact of ID ownership on women in her community; and how they overcome some program enrolment challenges the beneficiaries (predominantly women) are faced with.
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