Incumbents and Insurgents in Healthcare
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Podcast Overview
<p>Incumbents and Insurgents, sponsored by TowerBrook Capital Partners, is a candid series about the collision - and collaboration - between healthcare and technology. Hosted by Eric Larsen, President of the TowerBrook Healthcare Institute, the show explores how incumbent healthcare organizations are adopting AI, how tech insurgents are challenging entrenched models, and what it will take to improve outcomes while bending the cost curve.</p>
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July 7, 2026
Warner Thomas and Munjal Shah
In this episode of Incumbents and Insurgents, Eric Larsen hosts Warner Thomas (President and CEO, Sutter Health) and Munjal Shah (Co-Founder and CEO, Hippocratic AI) for a conversation on what it takes to move clinical AI from invention to installation. As an Incumbent and an Insurgent building on the same patient-facing terrain, they make the case that healthcare has been designed around clinical scarcity, and that AI now makes a kind of abundance possible for the first time.
April 15, 2026
Tom Mihaljevic and Elad Walach
In this episode of Incumbents and Insurgents, Eric Larsen hosts Tom Mihaljevic, M.D. (CEO and President, Cleveland Clinic) and Elad Walach (Co-Founder and CEO, Aidoc) for the series’ first in-person pairing of an Incumbent and an Insurgent. They explore why AI applied to poorly structured health systems fails without standardization and manufacturing discipline; how 370,000 annual deaths from diagnostic errors could worsen as the standard of care accelerates beyond the system’s capacity to implement it; and why Aidoc’s recent clinical-grade foundation model for medical imaging may mark the beginning of comprehensive AI-driven disease detection. They also discuss what Cleveland Clinic learned building a world-class hospital in Abu Dhabi from scratch, why executive leadership is the single best predictor of AI implementation success, and whether U.S. healthcare’s fragmentation is incompatible with the diffusion of transformational technology.
January 6, 2026
Dario Amodei
In this episode of Incumbents and Insurgents, Eric Larsen speaks with Dario Amodei, Co-Founder and CEO of Anthropic, about what happens when rapidly improving AI systems meet a healthcare sector built for stability and caution. They discuss the pace of model progress, why healthcare’s labor intensity and administrative burden make it especially exposed, and where AI is already acting as a clinical second opinion. The conversation spans physician workflows, biomedical discovery, and the gap between invention and diffusion, before turning to what increasingly capable machines mean for human judgment, creativity, and the role of the humanities in an age of abundant intelligence.
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<p>Incumbents and Insurgents, sponsored by TowerBrook Capital Partners, is a candid series about the collision - and collaboration - between healthcare and technology. Hosted by Eric Larsen, President of the TowerBrook Healthcare Institute, the show explores how incumbent healthcare organizations are adopting AI, how tech insurgents are challenging entrenched models, and what it will take to improve outcomes while bending the cost curve.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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