About Inner Green Deal - the human dimension of sustainability.
Welcome to the Inner Green Deal podcast where we talk to inspiring guests about the human dimension of sustainability and explore the link between our personal journeys and the positive impact we can have on the world. Hosted by Tamsin Walker.
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Can AI be wise as well as intelligent? We sit down with Wakanyi Hoffman, co-director of the Inclusive AI Lab at Utrecht University, to explore the kinds of questions AI designers could be asking as they work on the technology that is playing an increasing role in our daily lives.
Wakanyi shares how growing up in community and within nature has informed her own understanding of the world and how AI can benefit from indigenous wisdom to help solve some of our problems of disconnection. Not to mention, how it can benefit NGOs to create more time and space for doing the work that matters.
In this conversation:
The role of AI designers in considering human connection
The meaning of Ubuntu and the role it can play in designing wise AI
AI as a tool for potential good within NGOs
With:
Wakanyi Hoffman (https://www.linkedin.com/in/wakanyi-hoffman/?originalSubdomain=nl), co-director of the Inclusive AI Lab at Utrecht University (https://www.uu.nl/en/research/ai-labs), where she is researching ways of integrating indigenous African knowledge into emerging AI systems. She is also a storyteller, educator and public speaker. To find out more about Wakanyi and her work:
https://inclusiveailab.org/ (https://inclusiveailab.org/)
https://www.africanfolktalesproject.com/ (https://www.africanfolktalesproject.com/)
https://www.humanitylinkfoundation.org/ (https://www.humanitylinkfoundation.org/)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/wakanyi-hoffman/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/wakanyi-hoffman/)
With thanks to the The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/) for their support of the Inner Green Deal podcast which is hosted and produced by Tamsin Walker (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/). Executive producer is IGD co-founder Jeroen Janss (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/).
For more information, visit innergreendeal.com (http://innergreendeal.com) or write to info@innergreendeal.com (mailto:info@innergreendeal.com).
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6 Nov 2025
Building Resilient Communities I Ruth Achillah and Katie Hodgetts | S5E5
In the West, resilience often means “bouncing back” - by yourself. An entire industry has been built around this. In Africa, it means “standing together.”
This episode brings together two inspiring women, each offering a unique perspective on how we build both individual and collective resilience - and what it means to move from self-care to shared care.
In this conversation:
How African communities embody resilience as a shared, collective process - where challenges are faced and overcome together.
What we can learn from cultures where there is no single word for “resilience,” yet where it is deeply lived through connection, care, and community.
How this contrasts with Western approaches that often frame resilience as individual wellbeing or the ability to “bounce back.”
The role of inner development in bridging these perspectives and fostering deeper forms of collective strength.
Why rethinking resilience may hold the key to more sustainable and compassionate responses to global challenges.
With:
Ruth Dawn Achillah (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#) is the Global Lead for Learning and Development at One Acre Fund, an organization supporting millions of smallholder farmers across Africa with the tools, knowledge, and innovations they need to thrive.
Katie Hodgetts FRSA (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#) is a British changemaker and author who founded The Resilience Project to provide psychological and inner-led support for young people experiencing burnout and climate anxiety. Her forthcoming book, Act, Rest, Reset, Repeat, explores how to navigate cycles of action and renewal in times of crisis.
With thanks to the The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#) for their support of the Inner Green Deal podcast which is hosted and produced by Tamsin Walker (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#). Executive producer is IGD co-founder Jeroen Janss (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#). For more information, visit innergreendeal.com (http://innergreendeal.com) or write to info@innergreendeal.com (mailto:info@innergreendeal.com).
This episode was recorded at the Inner Development Goals (https://www.linkedin.com/company/71626391/admin/page-posts/published/#) Summit where we hosted a full day track on strengthening social and environmental impact.
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17 Sept 2025
Redefining Societal Success I with Julia Kim, Club of Rome | S5E4
How should we measure progress - by what we produce and consume, or by how people and nature are doing? Dr. Julia Kim, a physician and systems thinker, discusses Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness (GNH) as an alternative to GDP, and shows how inner development - including her contemplative and spiritual practice - provides the human foundations for translating that vision into policy, institutions, and everyday life.
Julia Kim began her career in clinical medicine before moving into health policy and international development with the UN and other agencies. She later served as Program Director at the Gross National Happiness Centre, Bhutan, and is a member of the Wellbeing Economy Alliance and an Executive Committee Member of the Club of Rome.
In this conversation:
Julia’s path from medicine to systems work—and how contemplative practice and spirituality inform her leadership
What Gross National Happiness measures and how it reframes policy choices
Practical ways NGOs can create low-barrier spaces for reflection and values-aligned action
Real-world effects of GNH (e.g. community norms around forest conservation) and the tensions of a GDP-centric world
How other Wellbeing Economy approaches are taking shape in the world
Resources:
About Julia Kim (https://shorturl.at/5izeY)
Wellbeing Economy Alliance (https://weall.org/)
Center for Healthy Minds (https://centerhealthyminds.org)
Small Giants (https://shorturl.at/GxvpO)
Presencing Institute (https://www.presencing.org)
Earth4All (https://earth4all.life)
Season 5 leads into the IDG Summit (https://shorturl.at/FKwYH) 2025 in Stockholm, where the Inner Green Dea (https://innergreendeal.com/#_blank)l curates a full-day track. Use code “MeSummit2025” for 15% off in-person and 50% off digital tickets. With thanks to the Robert Ho Family Foundation for their support.
Our podcast is hosted and produced by Tamsin Walker. (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsin-walker-768133219/) Executive producer is IGD co-founder Jeroen Janss (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeroenjanss/). For more information, visit (https://www.linkedin.com/company/inner-green-deal-initiative#_blank) innergreendeal.com (http://innergreendeal.com) or write to info@innergreendeal.com (mailto:info@innergreendeal.com).
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