Intergenerational Thinking is a podcast bought to you by Aurellan Asset Management. In these podcasts we talk to key investment industry players and investors, with a focus on long term, intergenerational and enduring views.
Ep 11 - Broken Correlations and Sky-High Valuations: Lessons from Thirty Years of Return Forecasting
With the Shiller CAPE above 40, roughly double its post-1950 average, what should long-term investors expect from the next decade? Aurellan CEO Chris Di Leva talks with Steve Foresti, CIO Emeritus at Wilshire, who has spent decades building capital market assumptions. They cover how starting valuations feed into ten-year equity forecasts. They also test the case for a permanently higher market multiple, and ask whether the AI capex boom is turning asset-light companies into capital-heavy ones. Steve explains how to tell a valuation signal that's wrong from one that's only slow, and why the correlation matrix can hurt clients more than the return numbers, as 2022 showed. They also discuss what private markets should really earn now that companies stay private longer. The episode closes on the single most important thing a trustee should consider when making a decision they'll live with for twenty years.
Important Notice
Aurellan, whose CEO hosts this podcast, is a current client of Wilshire; no compensation was paid by either party for this appearance, and this relationship creates an incentive to speak favourably about Wilshire. Views expressed are the speakers’ personal opinions as of the recording date, are subject to change, and are not an offer or solicitation to buy or sell any security. Statistics, forecasts, and comparisons discussed are estimates only and are not indicative of future results.
20 Jul 2026
Ep 10 - Talking Private Markets with Wilshire's Head of Alternatives Manager Research, Mark Perry
Listed markets have delivered exceptional returns but with valuations at elevated levels, where do investors find genuine diversification?
In this episode, Aurellan CEO Chris Di Leva is joined by Mark Perry, Head of Alternatives Manager Research at Wilshire, joining us from Los Angeles. Mark leads manager research across private equity, private credit, real assets and the niche strategies in between.
They discuss:
How US investors allocate to alternatives — and the contrast with New Zealand, where private markets barely feature in most portfolios
"Alternative yield" explained: music royalties, transportation leasing and specialist lending — and why pricing power is the key ingredient
Private credit headlines: separating signal from noise
Why private equity is a genuine diversifier, beyond just quarterly pricing
Building a private markets programme: primaries, secondaries and co-investments
The question almost nobody is asking: are most retirement portfolios too liquid?
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Important InformationAurellan is an investment management client of Wilshire; no compensation was paid for this episode. Views expressed are personal opinions as of the recording date, subject to change, and are not an offer or solicitation to buy or sell any security. Statistics and performance comparisons discussed are estimates only and are not indicative of future results.
29 Jun 2026
Ep 9 - From Appliances to Aerospace - Backing the next generation of NZ companies
In this episode of the Aurellan Intergenerational Thinking podcast, Chris Di Leva is joined by Fiona Foster of Movac and Andrew Bascand of Harbour Asset Management for a conversation about how innovation gets funded in New Zealand and where it comes from.
Fiona shares how Movac identifies and backs high-growth companies at an early stage, drawing on examples like Dawn Aerospace, Crimson, Hnry and Auror. She explores what it takes to build conviction long before a company's potential is widely understood, and the discipline required to invest across the uncertain early phases of a company's lifecycle.
Andrew brings the perspective of listed markets, showing how breakthrough innovation often emerges from unexpected places. He points to Fisher & Paykel Healthcare, today an index heavyweight, which began life spun out of an appliance manufacturer, as a reminder that tomorrow's market leaders don't always start where you'd expect.
Together they examine the connections between public and private markets, early-stage and listed investing, and what it means to back enduring New Zealand companies with capital, patience and a genuinely long-term mindset.
7 Jun 2026
Ep 8 - Investing in the Rear-View vs. the Road Ahead: Los Angeles Capital's Forward-Looking Quant
In this episode of Intergenerational Thinking, Rachel Weld sits down with Colleen Raab of Los Angeles Capital to explore a quant approach built around a simple but powerful idea: the best guide to future returns isn't past performance, it's where companies are headed next. They unpack how Los Angeles Capital's forward-looking, systematic process differs from traditional factor investing, how the strategy adapts as markets and company fundamentals shift, and what disciplined, data-driven investing means for those stewarding wealth across generations.
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15 Apr 2026
Ep 7 - Aurellan co-founders Chris Di Leva and Anthony Edmonds talk all things global equities from style to what they look for in great managers
Aurellan co-founders Chris Di Leva and Anthony Edmonds talk global equity style. Style is often a key driver which is often overlooked in terms of portfolio construction. Anthony and Chris talk about Aurellan's approach to style diversification.
9 Mar 2026
Ep 6 - Co-Founder and CEO Sarah Ketterer reflects on 25 years of value investing at Causeway Capital
Aurellan Investment Principal Rachel Weld interviews Causeway Capital's Sarah Ketterer who talks about the up's and down's of value investing over the past 25 years that Causeway Capital has been in business. Causeway Capital is an underlying manager within the Aurellan Global Shares Fund. Aurellan Asset Management Limited is an investment manager of the Aurellan Global Shares Fund and Aurellan Hedged Global Shares Fund. The issuer and manager of these Funds is FundRock NZ Limited.
9 Feb 2026
Ep 5 - The outlook for Real Estate in New Zealand and abroad
We interview Cotality NZ's Head of Research Nick Goodall and Aurellan's Rachel Weld on all things property.
25 Nov 2025
Ep 4 - Aurellan CEO Chris Di Leva on leading Aurellan in a time of industry change
In this episode, Aurellan co-founder and CEO Chris Di Leva is interviewed by Anthony Edmonds. Chris and Anthony talk about Chris' path to Aurellan including learnings from his role as Portfolio Manager at Mercer and Head of Global and Multi Asset Investments at Harbour Asset Management.
13 Nov 2025
Ep 3 - Wilshire's Rob Noe talks about identifying great investment managers early
Wilshire's Rob Noe talks about how Wilshire select global investment managers and how the strategy to do it isn't too dissimilar to Monopoly. Rob also talks about how he got into investments and what has shaped his perspective.
20 Oct 2025
Ep 2 - Founding Shareholder Campbell Gower on creating enduring brands from Charlie's to Mountain Buggy
Campbell Gower talks through building enduring brands such as Charlie's Juice, Mountain Buggy, phil&teds and talks about why he and the Gower Family Office have decided to back Aurellan Asset Management.
9 Oct 2025
Ep 1 - Aurellan Founder Anthony Edmonds on founding InvestNow & his read on the NZ Investment Industry
Aurellan CEO and CIO, Chris Di Leva interviews fellow co-Founder Anthony Edmonds. This conversation covers Anthony's lucky break which got him into investments to founding and exiting three successful investment businesses.
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