Interviews by Claire Lehmann

About Interviews by Claire Lehmann

A new podcast hosted by Claire Lehmann, founder of Quillette, featuring in-person conversations with the experts, economists, scientists, and thinkers shaping Australian life. From politics and culture to policy and ideas, Claire sits down with guests who have something real to say — and the courage to say it.

Publisher

Claire Lehmann

Category

news

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

3 Jul 2026

Latest episode

22 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

9 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   22 Oct 2026

   How Australia Lost Faith in Its Major Parties | Gemma Tognini

   Why are Australians abandoning both major parties, and why are so many turning to Pauline Hanson’s One Nation? Claire Lehmann speaks with columnist Gemma Tognini about a government she argues will not take responsibility for its mistakes, the spending and regulation she says are driving investment offshore, and the rise in antisemitism that, in her view, political leaders failed to confront before the Bondi terror attack. They also discuss why conservatives lost their reputation for compassion, why social programmes work better when run locally, what Claire saw as a graduate in Australia’s federal Department of Health, the case for nuclear power, and how to attract better people into politics. Gemma Tognini is a columnist for The Australian and the founder of a corporate affairs firm. She spent more than a decade in broadcast journalism, including as chief of staff at the Seven Network. Read her Alboverse article in The Australian here: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inqu... 📖 Read the full transcript: coming soon 🔗 Mentioned in this episode: Bondi Was Not a Surprise: https://quillette.com/2025/12/15/bond... The Party of the Worker Is Now the Party of the Bureaucrat (Claire Lehmann): https://quillette.com/2026/06/19/the-... The 7 Deadly Myths by Alex Ryvchin: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFXWMXQL?...00:00 Intro 00:26 Podcast begins, Albanese and a government that won’t take responsibility 02:15 Labor’s factions and the shift to One Nation 04:36 Paying for the demands of a wealthy society 06:54 Compassion that actually reaches vulnerable people 09:11 Why welfare works better when run locally 11:28 Fiscal management and the Treasurer 13:45 Bondi as a political turning point 15:52 Antisemitism among educated Australians 18:09 The forgotten history of European antisemitism 20:01 What schools don’t teach about antisemitism 22:35 The ABC, media trust and Gemma’s career 25:24 Why policymakers need real-world experience 28:16 Capital flight and Australia’s doom loop 30:45 How to sell spending cuts 33:16 Claire’s year inside the Department of Health 35:24 Service NSW and the power of political will 37:44 Nuclear power, data centres and state competition 40:17 Payroll tax and the case for small business 41:38 Getting better people into politics 45:20 Why the centre-right cedes culture 47:37 The personal cost of speaking out 50:00 The government’s biggest vulnerability Subscribe for more conversations from Quillette. Read more at https://quillette.com

2. 

   13 Oct 2026

   Josh Frydenberg: ‘The Tragedy of Bondi Was So Preventable’ | Antisemitism in Australia

   “The tragedy of Bondi was so preventable, because the writing was on the wall.” Josh Frydenberg was Treasurer of Australia from 2018 to 2022, Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, and for 12 years the member for Kooyong. His mother was born in Budapest in 1943 and reached Australia as a stateless refugee. Since the Bondi Hanukkah attack of 14 December 2025, he has become one of the most forceful voices in Australia against antisemitism. In this episode, Claire Lehmann talks to Frydenberg about his new memoir, A Grateful Son, and the social and economic state of Australia. They discuss: the legal campaign against his citizenship and why it brought back dark memories of the Holocaust why he believes leadership on antisemitism can be the difference between life and death what he says the Royal Commission into Antisemitism and Social Cohesion must confront, including anti-Zionism, campus protests and what he calls a lack of moral clarity among the most educated They also turn to the economy: whether economic malaise is fuelling social toxicity, the rise of populists like Zohran Mamdani, Australia’s budget deficit and capital gains tax changes, ending JobKeeper, Daniel Andrews’ COVID lockdowns, the coming Victorian election, and whether young Australians will have the same reasons to be grateful in 30 years’ time. A Grateful Son by Josh Frydenberg (with Gideon Haigh): buy on Amazon Read Quillette: quillette.com

3. 

   8 Oct 2026

   AI Doomers Are Wrong, Says AI Veteran Jerry Kaplan

   Is AI about to come alive and rise up against us? Jerry Kaplan has worked in artificial intelligence since earning one of the field’s first PhDs in 1979, and he thinks the public debate has become “a real clown show.” In conversation with Quillette editor-in-chief Claire Lehmann, Kaplan explains the difference between chatbots that “can bark but can’t bite” and AI agents that act in the world, and argues that the real near-term risks are cybersecurity, fraud and weak product liability rather than superintelligence. They also discuss AI consciousness, why intelligence is not the same as power, what AI is already doing to productivity and research, and why Kaplan believes human craft will become more valuable, not less.

4. 

   20 Sept 2026

   Why Australia Is Sick: Immigration, Productivity and Political Dysfunction | Misha Saul

   Misha Saul joins Claire Lehmann to discuss his viral essay Australia Is Sick and why he believes Australia has squandered many of the advantages that made it one of the world’s most prosperous countries. They discuss immigration, productivity, net zero, the NDIS, employment law, regulatory overreach, and the political incentives that make reform difficult. Saul argues that Australia needs to regain greater agency over its borders and economy—and explains why he remains optimistic about the potential of AI. CHAPTERS 00:00 - Australia’s lost potential01:20 - From Ambitious Australia to Australia Is Sick02:13 - The tax proposals that triggered the essay03:29 - How countries decline slowly05:08 - Why reform is so difficult06:04 - Net zero and Australia’s energy policy07:01 - Universities and immigration08:29 - Australia needs control over immigration12:00 - The economic arguments Saul rejects14:07 - Should Australia import labour?16:01 - Cheap labour and productivity18:56 - Business interests and the Liberal Party20:51 - Why bad policies are hard to reverse22:19 - Is Australia becoming like the UK?24:11 - What makes the US different?26:06 - What Australia still gets right29:56 - One Nation and voter anger31:48 - Can the major parties respond?33:15 - Immigration and Australian federation35:11 - Saul’s Australian identity37:50 - The Brexit comparison39:04 - Rethinking skilled migration40:43 - What Australia could do differently42:03 - Reforming employment law43:17 - AI and reasons for optimism44:22 - Where to find Misha Saul Misha Saul — Australia Is Sickhttps://www.kvetch.au/p/australia-is-sick Misha Saul — Ambitious Australiahttps://www.kvetch.au/p/ambitious-australia Misha Saul on Xhttps://x.com/misha_saul Kvetchhttps://www.kvetch.au/ Quillettehttps://quillette.com/

5. 

   2 Sept 2026

   Why So Many Young Men Are Giving Up on Work | Tanveer Ahmed

   Why are increasing numbers of young men withdrawing from work—and what happens when people lose a sense of purpose, competence and belonging? Claire Lehmann speaks with psychiatrist and author Tanveer Ahmed about the growing number of men who have stopped working or looking for work, despite persistent labour shortages across the Western world. Ahmed argues that this phenomenon cannot be understood simply as unemployment or clinical depression. He describes a broader problem of demoralisation: people who are capable of functioning but have become stuck, disconnected and uncertain about what their lives are for. They discuss the changing status of ordinary work, the rise of mental-health and disability identities, welfare incentives, online entertainment, cannabis, declining community ties, immigration and the changing labour market for men. They also explore why work can provide something that money alone cannot: structure, competence, dignity and a feeling of being needed. The conversation asks a difficult question: have modern societies become exceptionally good at satisfying our desires while becoming worse at giving people meaningful roles? Tanveer Ahmed is a psychiatrist and author of Fragile Nation, In Defence of Shame and The Exotic Rissole. READ TANVEER'S ARTICLE Men Without Meaning — Tanveer Ahmed https://quillette.com/2026/07/28/men-without-meaning/ MORE FROM TANVEER AHMED Tanveer Ahmed's Quillette author page: https://quillette.com/author/tanveer-ahmed/ BUY TANVEER AHMED'S BOOKS Fragile Nation — Tanveer Ahmed https://www.amazon.com.au/s?k=Fragile+Nation+Tanveer+Ahmed&tag=quillette-20 In Defence of Shame — Tanveer Ahmed https://www.amazon.com.au/s?k=In+Defence+of+Shame+Tanveer+Ahmed&tag=quillette-20 The Exotic Rissole — Tanveer Ahmed https://www.amazon.com.au/s?k=The+Exotic+Rissole+Tanveer+Ahmed&tag=quillette-20 CHAPTERS 00:00 — Why Men Need to Feel Useful 00:24 — Men Without Meaning 01:08 — Why Are Men Leaving the Workforce? 02:12 — The Cycle of Work, Welfare and Disability 03:35 — Why Men Are Opting Out of Work 05:36 — When Mental-Health Labels Become Status 08:51 — When Diagnosis Becomes Identity 11:24 — Status, Identity and the Loss of Community 13:28 — Are Welfare Incentives Keeping Men Out of Work? 15:19 — Why Staying Home Has Never Been Easier 17:26 — Have We Cured Boredom? 18:59 — Better Consumers, Worse Citizens? 22:24 — Why the Labour Market Is Changing Men's Lives 24:28 — Men, Work and the Dating Market 26:15 — Can Work Restore Purpose? 29:19 — Demoralisation Is Not Depression 30:41 — Immigration and the Value of Low-Paid Work 33:14 — Cannabis and Male Demotivation 35:49 — The Feedback Loop of Disengagement 36:28 — How Can We Make Men Feel Needed? 40:11 — When Mental Illness Becomes an Identity

6. 

   18 Aug 2026

   “They’re Putting Australia Back 300 Years” | Geoff Wilson on Labor’s CGT

   Geoff Wilson founded Wilson Asset Management in 1997 and now manages around $6 billion for 130,000 investors. He has fought three tax campaigns against Labor governments over the past decade, and he is in the middle of a fourth. In June, Parliament legislated the biggest change to Australia's capital gains tax in a generation: the fifty per cent discount replaced with cost-base indexation, plus a thirty per cent minimum rate on gains accruing from 1 July 2027. Wilson is blunt about his own position. His funds are high-yield, so a shift away from growth stocks benefits them. He says he is campaigning anyway, because the people who lose are the founders, the employees paid in equity, and the young investors buying ETFs to save for a deposit. In this conversation with Quillette Editor-in-Chief Claire Lehmann, he argues that Treasury never modelled the behavioural consequences: why it is now in a company's interest to pay out all its earnings rather than reinvest, why a young investor is better off trading than holding, and why a technology founder who had offered a returning expat five per cent of his company now has to offer ten. CHAPTERS 00:00 "Growth has become a dirty word" 01:11 Intro ends 01:20 The fixed-pie assumption 02:20 A productivity round table, then a productivity tax 03:15 The modelling Treasury didn't do 05:20 "The highest capital gains tax in the world" 07:00 Why capital flees growth for franked dividends 08:35 What it does to founders and employee equity 10:10 "Carve out all Australian businesses" 10:55 "The government has been gaslighting the Australian people" 11:50 Four extra years to a house deposit 13:10 The one-in-ten-young-people claim 14:50 Why productivity is hard to explain 16:00 The industries where productivity can't rise 17:25 Superannuation, and why nobody trusts it 20:00 The maths: why companies should stop reinvesting 21:40 Why young investors should become traders 23:40 Ideology, or incompetence? 24:35 Policy engineered backwards 26:10 Wilson benefits from this tax — and fights it anyway 28:20 Why the business community stays quiet 29:20 The case for getting on a plane 31:20 Brain drain, and the Canva CFO 32:40 The UK precedent 35:20 A tax on the family home? 36:00 Can any of this be repealed? 37:35 Could this cause a recession? 38:40 43,000 new companies, and what they're really for 39:50 The grassroots campaign 43:10 Treasury versus Keating 44:00 Closing

7. 

   14 Aug 2026

   Australia Stopped Investing—and Productivity Flatlined | Chris Bradley

   Chris Bradley, director of the McKinsey Global Institute, tells Claire Lehmann that Australia has had almost zero productivity growth for a decade—and that the cause isn't mysterious. We stopped investing, and nobody legislates for growth anymore. He also argues the next 75 years could still deliver universal prosperity: every country living like Switzerland does today. Chris Bradley is a co-author of A Century of Plenty: A Story of Progress for Generations to Come (McKinsey Global Institute, 2026): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G66Z5Y4D?tag=quillette-20 0:00 Teaser 0:34 Introduction 1:00 Why McKinsey wrote it at 100 2:15 Our grandparents' century 4:30 The machine of progress: energy, capital, cities 7:00 The firm: prosperity's unsung hero 9:15 What went wrong in Australia 14:00 Giving up on growth 15:00 Luxury beliefs and 'economic measles' 19:00 Zero-sum thinking and the magic of 1 and 2 percent 27:20 Art downstream from technology 29:30 The few firms that drive productivity 33:40 Capital gains tax and talent flight 38:40 Switzerland vs Burundi 44:30 Australia in 2100: AI, energy, earning optimism

8. 

   14 Jul 2026

   Generation Trapped: Why Young Australians Have Given Up Hope | Parnell Palme McGuinness

   Claire Lehmann sits down with Parnell Palme McGuinness — columnist for the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, and senior research fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies — to unpack her landmark report, Generation Trapped, on the collapsing life satisfaction of Australians aged 18–34. Parnell identifies six distinct "tribes" among young Australians — from disillusioned Progressive Identitarians to optimistic Strivers — and explains why a sense of control, not income, is the strongest predictor of happiness. The conversation ranges across why women are swinging toward One Nation, the East–West divide still shaping German politics, the missing men in the marriage debate, the manosphere and the collapse of dating culture, and why the government's new budget may be actively hurting the young people it claims to help. 00:00 – Teaser 00:24 – Introduction: Parnell Palme McGuinness and Generation Trapped 01:11 – Why women are preferencing One Nation 03:01 – What issues actually divide men and women 05:28 – Preference cascades and the rural–city divide 06:07 – Germany's East–West split, and lessons for Australia 08:31 – Generation Trapped: six tribes of young Australians 09:02 – The Progressive Identitarians: hopeless but not struggling 11:06 – The Dislocated Post-Traditionalists 14:50 – Why government can't fix cultural problems 17:02 – Rob Henderson, luxury beliefs, and the marriage gap 19:05 – The missing men: young men, family, and religiosity 21:35 – The manosphere and the collapse of dating culture 24:53 – The Head Starts and the Strivers: Australia's optimists 30:00 – Fixing policy by giving people back control 32:06 – The budget's "landmines" and the case against the capital gains tax hike 37:57 – Why politicians don't understand the private sector 40:13 – Will One Nation's rise survive the next election? 43:54 – Where to find the research

9. 

   3 Jul 2026

   Why Australia's New Capital Gains Tax Is the Best Tax Policy for Crushing the Economy: Derek Francis

   Treasurer Jim Chalmers calls it tax reform. Derek Francis calls it "a complete dog's breakfast." Derek Francis — former chief economist at the NSW Parliamentary Budget Office and a fund manager — joins Claire Lehmann to break down a basic error in Treasury's modelling of Australia's new capital gains tax. Treasury calculated tax rates using the average return on a share portfolio, ignoring the distribution of returns — meaning investors get taxed heavily on their winners with no compensation for their losers. The result: effective tax rates of up to 70% on shares, a policy that hits young investors, self-funded retirees, and startup founders hardest, and — according to Francis's own modelling — may end up collecting less tax overall as investment and talent leave the country. 00:00 Introduction 02:18 Highest capital gains tax in the world 03:16 Treasury's modelling flaw 05:20 Real-world impact on investors 07:28 Process failures at Treasury 10:57 Asymmetric tax impact 15:36 Housing and wealth accumulation 16:18 Young investors and app-based investing 17:29 Behavioural effects on tax revenue 22:33 Incentives skewed toward property 24:37 Administrative complexity 27:25 Enforcement and compliance issues 29:18 Likely revenue decline 30:43 Macroeconomic consequences 32:21 Startup impact 36:48 Risk asymmetry 38:26 Government misunderstanding of productive investment 42:07 Proposed solution 43:44 Conclusion Resources: Jim Chalmers' Budget Announcement — https://www.australia.gov.au Treasury's Budget Modelling Report — https://treasury.gov.au Australian Taxation Office (ATO) — https://www.ato.gov.au Guest: Derek Francis LinkedIn — / derekfrancis Twitter/X — / derekfrancis

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