April Vokey hosts this roundtable forum, which takes a closer look at the outdoor’s most controversial topics. Follow along to hear the viewpoints, science and personal opinions from leading experts in their field. An Anchored Outdoors production.
Into the Backing Ep. 13: Pinniped Predation on Salmon and Steelhead Stocks
In this episode, I sit down with Spencer Greening, Nate Pamplin, and Dave Hansen to dive into the complex issue of pinniped predation and its impact on fisheries. Dr. Spencer Greening, an Indigenous scholar and ecologist, brings cultural and ecological insights into the balance between marine life and traditional fisheries. Nate, a fisheries and wildlife policy expert, sheds light on management strategies and conservation challenges. And Dave Hansen, a seasoned fisherman and advocate, shares firsthand observations from the water. Are sea lions truly to blame for declining fish stocks, or is the issue far more nuanced? Join us as we explore the science, policy, and lived experiences shaping this debate.
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11 Feb 2025
Into the Backing Ep. 12: Are Rod and Line Ratings Misleading?
A listener named Ben recently sent in a great question about one of the most debated topics in fly fishing: line weights. He shared his own experience of buying a high-end 5-weight rod, only to find out a year later that it performed best with a heavier line—essentially making it a 6-weight setup. His frustration? The industry’s blurred definitions and the confusion it causes for anglers trying to match rods and lines correctly.
To dig into this topic, I invited three experts who know rods and lines better than just about anyone—Tim Rajeff, Jeff Wagner, and Simon Gawesworth. In this episode, we break down the line weight system and discuss why manufacturers push the boundaries.
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14 Nov 2024
Into the Backing Ep. 11: To Single or Double Hand Cast, That is the Question
In this episode of Into the Backing, we discuss the advantages of both the single and double handed rod. From swinging flies for steelhead to using them for something as niche as fly fishing for musky, we cover it all in this month’s session.
Join me to sit down with author and former sales rep Jerry Darkes, guide and instructor Jeff Liskay, and BackPacker’s Fly Shop manager Jake Wright for a friendly jousting on why one method may be preferred over the other.
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15 Oct 2024
Into the Backing Ep. 10: The Native Fish/Introduced Fish Controversy
In this episode of Into the Backing, we tackle a complex and polarizing issue: native fish vs. introduced fish. That phrase has always sounded odd to me, so I figured there must be more to the controversy. As it turns out, much of the online debate stems from miscommunication and assumptions about region-specific fisheries that are close to our hearts. Sometimes, though, it’s a clash of science, philosophy, and policy.
I sit down with Bob Mallard from the Native Fish Coalition, writer Kirk Deeter, fluvial geomorphologist Dr. Doug Thompson, and journalist Tom Bie to explore why this divide exists.
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15 Sept 2024
Into the Backing Ep. 9: Is Euro Nymphing Really Fly Fishing?
Today, we're kicking off season two with a relatively light-hearted conversation about Euro Nymphing and its perception in the fly fishing industry. A hot topic around the fly-tying counter, Euro Nymphing is viewed by some as the most effective form of fly fishing, while others argue it’s not fly fishing at all. I thought it would be interesting to invite some of fly fishing's strongest personalities for a friendly discussion on why this controversy exists.
In this episode, I sit down with Kelly Galloup, George Daniel, and Nick Taransky to hear their thoughts on whether Euro Nymphing is truly fly fishing.
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20 Jun 2021
Into the Backing Ep. 8: Fly Fishing Influencers in the Wild
It can be a tricky task trying to balance fly fishing and ethical marketing. And while it’s nothing new, the conversation has never been quite as polarising as it is when it involves influencers. Right, wrong, or otherwise, there’s a stigma around this new-age marketing tactic that pops up in comment sections and tackle shops around the world.
In this episode of Into the Backing, I sit down with Kirk Deeter, Tom Larimer and Bridget Fabel to weigh out why there’s so much contention around the topic.
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2 Feb 2021
Into the Backing Ep. 7: Washington’s Ban on Steelhead Fishing From a Boat
A recent change in government regulations has made fishing for steelhead from a boat illegal in Washington State. The change is the result of poor steelhead returns and an attempt to find a compromise between the guides, anglers and fish. A substantial amount of guides and anglers are upset about the new law and how it was implemented, so I asked longtime salmon and steelhead guide and spokesperson, Bob Kratzer to sit down with steelhead biologists John McMillan and Bob Hooton to sort through some of the facts and controversy.
We cover a lot of ground in this episode, so be sure to listen until the end and let us know your thoughts on the Anchored Outdoors Facebook and Instagram pages.
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13 Dec 2020
Into The Backing Ep. 6: Should We Fish to Fish on Redds?
It’s hard to ignore the contention that follows any conversation about fishing on redds. In this episode of Into the Backing, I sit down with Dr. Andy Danylchuk, photographer Adam Barker, and Howard Horton from Colorado Parks and Wildlife to see if we could get to the bottom of why it’s frowned upon. We discuss the science behind fishing on redds, why it isn’t illegal in many parts of North America, and why the topic is such a hot one for the fly fishing community. Be sure to listen until the end and let us know your thoughts on the Anchored Outdoors Facebook and Instagram pages.
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5 Nov 2020
Into the Backing Ep. 5: Do Hunting Grip and Grin Photos Do More Harm Than Good?
As a relatively new hunter, I was curious to learn more about the grip and grin debate that I often see surface on social media. In this episode of Into the Backing, I sit down with experienced hunters Britt Longoria, Tyler Freel and Mark Hall to hear their thoughts. We discuss how and why our photos matter, if the hunting industry is unnecessarily inflammatory, and if something as simple as a social media post can shift regulations and legislation.
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8 Jul 2020
Into The Backing Ep. 4: Are Hatchery Fish Really That Bad?
This month’s episode has been brewing since the conception of the Anchored podcast in 2014. Over the last six years, we’ve discussed various concerns about the impact of hatchery fish in wild systems. Every time such an episode airs, it stimulates debate between "pro-hatchery" and "anti-hatchery" anglers. So, for years I've been asking hatchery advocates to give me the name of someone they wanted to hear from. The name they gave me was biologist Ian Courter.
I'd arranged to meet with Ian, as well as the Wild Fish Conservancy’s Dr. Nick Gayeski and past Anchored guest and biologist John McMillan earlier this year. Flights were booked and conference rooms scheduled before Covid inevitably pushed this episode back. While we couldn’t get Nick on the call, John and Ian agreed to sit down for the first time to publicly share their viewpoints.
Outline of this Episode
[2:55] What is a hatchery fish?
[7:11] Why do people take such an extreme stance on this issue?
[26:44] What would Nick Gayeski say about the issue?
[28:49] How much money do hatchery fish cost?
[33:23] Scientists have done a poor job of studying the different ways that hatcheries are managed
[38:44] Lack of differing life histories affects the hatchery fish population
[52:03] What about the Montana example?
[1:03:02] We need big experiments to collect data
[1:10:43] When hatcheries are used for a few years they can jumpstart a fishery
[1:22:28] What can be done to solve these problems?
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28 May 2020
Into The Backing Ep. 3: Is Catch and Release Fishing Selfish?
My guests today include big game specialist and Sportfishing captain Vic Levett, Australian fishing guide Justin Duggan, and steelhead guide and photographer Adrienne Comeau, who also happens to be a life-long vegetarian. In this episode of Into the Backing we tackle the argument of whether catch and release fly fishing is truly beneficial to fish, or if it’s unnecessary torture for our own fun.
Outline of this Episode:
[4:35] Is catch and release fishing selfish?
[10:05] Catch and release fishers are often advocating for a better fishery
[13:03] Do catch and release fishers have a greater impact on a fishery?
[15:30] Why torture an animal for fun?
[28:23] We anthropomorphize animals
[34:40] Catch and release numbers can’t compare with commercial fishing
[41:04] Can fish really feel pain?
[44:53] There are reasons to let fish go
[51:246] If you take the anglers out of the picture you will kill the fisheries
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11 Apr 2020
Into the Backing Ep. 2: Can Fishing Be Too Easy?
Today our round table guests include Master caster Peter Morse, professional photographer and avid angler David Anderson, and guide and entrepreneur Josh Hutchins. On this episode, we explore whether there is such a thing as too easy when it comes to fishing. We also consider the definition of fly fishing and discuss our opinions on whether fishing is a sport. Join us for this stimulating conversation between friends and fishing experts.
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Outline of This Episode
[1:15] Is there such a thing as too easy in fishing?
[9:15] It all comes down to individual preference
[13:55] Are you fishing to eat or fishing for sport
[19:48] Nowadays there is a faster progression
[26:06] Why is there a controversy?
[34:02] Is fly fishing a sport?
[43:22] We all like easy
[45:55] Does easy equal boring?
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4 Apr 2020
Into The Backing Ep. 1: A Roundtable Forum Discussing Hot Topics in the Outdoors
We’ve got all sorts of discussion coming your way in this monthly series. Between pro-hatchery and anti-hatchery biologists, social media influencers and old-school industry types, catch and release anglers and meat hunters… We’re putting some hot topics on the table for you to form your own opinions. Be sure to subscribe here so you don’t miss out on episode one, where we keep it light with a friendly debate about if there’s such a thing as too easy in fishing. Subscribe to the podcast here.
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