Welcome to Into The Multiverse, where we believe mushrooms can help save the world, and that if humans mirrored the wisdom of the fungi kingdom, we’d have a more connected and joyful planet. Each episode features our host Alli Schaper alongside thought leaders and experts, exploring insights and stories across functional fungi, psychedelic medicine, and so mush more.
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Triplets from Two Mothers? A First-of-Its-Kind IVF Story | Into the Multiverse Podcast S3 EP #54
Host Alli Schaper interviews her mother Linda and aunt Barb about their unique IVF journey resulting in triplets born from two mothers and two different years.
4 May 2026TRANSCRIPT
The Future of Psychedelic Policy with Josh Kappel | Into the Multiverse Podcast S3 EP #53
Recorded live from Antarctica, psychedelic attorney Joshua Kappel joins host Alli Schaper to explore the rapidly unfolding frontier of psychedelic policy in the United States. With nearly two decades in drug policy reform, Josh shares his journey from helping draft Denver’s first psilocybin decriminalization initiative to co-authoring Colorado’s Natural Medicine Health Act, helping create a more regulated path for psychedelic healing while easing restrictions around personal use.
Together, they explore the space where underground culture meets formal regulation, and what it takes to translate lived experience into policy that actually works.
Alli and Josh get into:
Three Pathways of Reform: From federal pharmaceutical routes to state-regulated models and local decriminalization, a look at how change is unfolding across systems.
The Rise of Microdosing: As low-dose use becomes more common, policy is still catching up to how people are actually engaging with these medicines.
A New Model in New York: Early insights into a proposed permit system that could allow safe, at-home access to tested, low-dose psychedelics through education.
Story as Catalyst: How real stories from veterans, first responders, and families are shaping the momentum behind reform.
From Citizen Science to Clinical Trials: Why real-world data is playing such a big role in informing research and what comes next.
As this next wave of reform takes shape, the conversation comes back to how we balance access, safety, and integrity while honoring the communities that have carried this work forward.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:36 Introduction
1:10 Welcoming Psychedelic Attorney Josh Kappel
1:46 Josh’s Path Into Psychedelic Law and Advocacy
3:50 The Current State of Psychedelic Policy in the U.S.
11:04 Building the Microdosing Collective and Policy That Reflects Real-World Use
19:12 Storytelling as a Catalyst for Policy Change
23:31 How Culture Shapes the Future of Mental Health Policy
28:22 Honoring the Cultural Origins of These Medicines
31:18 Josh’s Most Important Lesson From Psychedelics
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Josh Kappel: https://www.instagram.com/thepsychedeliclawyer (https://www.instagram.com/thepsychedeliclawyer)
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31 Mar 2026TRANSCRIPT
The Hidden Role of Mind-Altering Substances in Human Evolution with Norman Ohler | Into the Multiverse Podcast S3 EP #52
Recorded on a boat to Antarctica, New York Times bestselling author Norman Ohler joins us for a conversation that challenges how we understand history, consciousness, and the hidden forces shaping human evolution.
Known for his deep archival research and provocative storytelling, Ohler explores the often-overlooked role of psychoactive substances in shaping major historical events, from the inner workings of the Nazi regime to the broader evolution of human awareness. He also offers a first look into his upcoming work, Stoned Sapiens, where he proposes a new lens on how molecules may have influenced the development of the human brain and our survival as a species.
Together, Norman and Alli explore:
- Rewriting History: Insights from Blitzed and what widespread drug use reveals about power, control, and decision-making at the highest levels.
- The Origins of Consciousness: A new perspective on how psychoactive compounds may have contributed to the development of the human mind.
- Drugs & Empire: The overlooked role of substances in shaping global systems, including the opium trade and colonial expansion.
- Literature as Disruption: Why storytelling can shift perception and act as a powerful political force.
- Healing & Psychedelics: A personal look at Ohler’s exploration of LSD and its potential in treating neurodegenerative conditions, and how it reshaped his own understanding of medicine and care.
This episode invites you to question what you think you know about history, and consider how chemistry, culture, and consciousness may be more deeply intertwined than we realize.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:40 Podcast Introduction
1:10 Welcoming Norman Ohler
1:39 Writing as a Political Act of Transformation
6:25 Evolution Through "Stoned Sapiens"
7:50 Uncovering the Archives: Substance Use in Nazi Germany
15:10 Consciousness Modes: Connection vs. Survival
18:32 The Alchemy and Energy of Chemical Compounds
19:47 Historical Perspectives through the Lens of Consciousness
24:27 Colonialism, Queen Victoria, and the Global Drug Trade
30:03 Family Healing and Redefining Psychedelic Medicine
33:40 Complexity and Tolerance: Personal Reflections
34:50 Publishing the Planetary Narrative
35:40 The Ultimate Lesson: Learning to Open the Heart
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Norman Ohler: https://www.instagram.com/normanohlerRead
Norman’s Work on Substack: https://stonedsapiens.substack.com/
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