Into the Woods

About Into the Woods

The legal landscape doesn’t have to be a dark, scary place. With host Dave Shaffer, Partner and Chair of the Family Wealth and Estate Planning Department at Woods Oviatt Gilman, as your guide, we talk through a variety of legal topics, shedding light on the issues of the day, welcoming guest attorneys from across the Woods Oviatt Gilman law firm, and answering questions to help you see both the forest and the trees.

Publisher

Woods Oviatt Gilman

Category

business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

12 Feb 2025

Latest episode

6 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

35 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   6 Oct 2026

   Episode 34 – Intellectual Property Rights at Death: Copyrights (Part 3 of 3)

   In this episode of Into the Woods–the final part of a three-part series on intellectual property–attorney Trent Bolar joins host Dave Shaffer to explain how copyright works, when a work enters the public domain, and why ownership structure matters so much for a creator’s estate. Plus, the AI training lawsuits reshaping copyright law, the Tupac estate’s cease-and-desist letters, and a tribute to Dolly Parton and the catalog she built to outlast her.

2. 

   15 Sept 2026

   Episode 33 – Intellectual Property Rights at Death: Trademarks (Part 2 of 3)

   In this episode of Into the Woods–part two of a three-part series on intellectual property–attorney Trent Bolar joins host Dave Shaffer to explain what a trademark actually protects, why use in commerce is the key to keeping one alive, and what happens to a mark when its owner passes away. Plus, the NCAA’s trademark fight with DraftKings and the reason bars and restaurants call it the big game.

3. 

   25 Aug 2026

   Episode 32 – Intellectual Property Rights at Death: Patents (Part 1 of 3)

   In this episode of Into the Woods–part one of a three-part series on intellectual property–attorney Trent Bolar joins host Dave Shaffer to explain how patent rights are handled after death, including executor responsibilities, ownership structures, and maintenance fees. Plus, the fascinating story behind Michael Jackson’s patented shoe that made his famous lean possible.

Who has been a guest on Into the Woods

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Caroline Cercone
• Hannah Cannon
• Morgan Napierski
• Kelly Gusmano

Reach and audience

Public platform figures. Ratings count people who left a rating, not total listeners.

Apple Podcasts (US)

4.8 / 5

4 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

5 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 9 / 100

A composite of feed quality, social presence, YouTube performance and engagement. Read the methodology.

Quality

6

Social presence

0

YouTube

0

Engagement

32

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Does not typically book guests

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