Irresistible Leader with Sheldon Andrus

About Irresistible Leader with Sheldon Andrus

Irresistible Leader with Sheldon Andrus is built for high-capacity leaders who are serious about building organizations, teams, and lives people actually want to be part of. The leadership playbook is changing. Yesterday’s leaders relied on pressure, position, and personality. Tomorrow’s leaders will win through competence, conviction, and culture. Each episode delivers the frameworks, conversations, and real-world insights you need to think sharper, lead clearer, and build stronger without losing who you are in the process. Whether you lead in business, ministry, education, or creative spaces, this is where leadership becomes both magnetic and sustainable. Because great leaders aren’t born, they’re built. Structure. Strategy. Substance. That’s what makes leadership irresistible.

Publisher

Sheldon J. Andrus III

Category

business · religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

22 Apr 2026

Latest episode

31 Aug 2026

Latest episodes

16 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   31 Aug 2026

   The Future of Church Staffing Is Already Here | Sheldon Andrus x Keith Turner Jr

   The way churches build teams is changing and the churches that recognize the shift early will be better positioned for what’s next. For years, the traditional staffing model was relatively straightforward: identify a need, create a full-time position, find someone to fill it. But today, ministry is more complex, leadership expectations are higher, budgets require greater creativity, and churches need access to expertise they may not be ready to hire full-time. So maybe the question isn't simply, “Who should we hire?” Maybe the better question is: “What leadership seat does our church actually need?” In the final episode of The RightSeat Conversations, Sheldon Andrus and Keith Turner Jr zoom out to explore the future of church staffing, and the shifts pastors and executive leaders should be paying attention to now. They unpack why operational leadership is becoming necessary earlier in a church's growth, how fractional leadership is changing access to executive-level talent, and why the next generation of healthy churches may need to think very differently about organizational structure. In this conversation, you’ll hear about: Why churches may need Executive Pastor and operational leadership earlier than they once did How fractional leadership can provide executive-level expertise without immediately adding another full-time position Why churches are rethinking traditional job descriptions and designing roles around both mission and sustainability How your current organizational structure could be limiting the growth you're praying for Why defining the seat before searching for the person can prevent expensive hiring mistakes What pastors should consider before making their church's next significant hire The future of church staffing isn't simply about finding more talented people. It's about creating the right leadership structure, defining the right seats, and putting the right people in them. Before You Make Your Next Hire, Start Here If you know your church needs additional leadership but you're not completely sure what role you need, what that person should own, or whether a traditional full-time hire is even the right solution, start with clarity. RightSeat Staffing and Search helps churches define the seat first, identify the right candidate, and navigate the hiring process from search and interviews through onboarding and ongoing support. Before you post another job description, have the RightSeat conversation. Book a RightSeat Clarity Call with Keith (https://calendly.com/d/ds9p-9jc-dz4/rightseat-clarity-call) Learn More About RightSeat Staffing and Search (https://rightseat.andrusadvisory.com/) The right hire starts with defining the right seat. FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/)

2. 

   24 Aug 2026

   Your Hiring Process Is Costing You Great Leaders | Sheldon Andrus x Keith Turner Jr

   What if your church doesn’t have a people problem, you have a hiring process problem? Churches often know they need help long before they know exactly who they need, what that person should own, or what success should look like. Then the pressure builds, the position needs to be filled, and urgency starts driving decisions that should have been made with clarity. In this episode of The RightSeat Conversations, Sheldon Andrus breaks down three of the biggest mistakes churches make during the hiring process, and why those mistakes can create misalignment long after the position has been filled. From unclear job descriptions and confusing expectations to overvaluing culture fit and rushing the search, Sheldon explains why a successful hire begins long before the interview. You’ll learn: Why you should define the seat before searching for the person The difference between someone fitting your culture and actually having the capacity to lead Why urgency can become one of the biggest threats to a successful hire How unclear expectations create frustration for both pastors and staff What a healthier, more intentional church hiring process can look like The goal isn't simply to get someone in the seat. It's to get the right person in the right seat with the clarity and support they need to succeed. Because the cost of slowing down during the hiring process is almost always less than the cost of fixing the wrong hire later. Is Your Church Preparing to Hire? Before you post the position, schedule another interview, or settle for the best candidate available, make sure you've clearly defined what your church actually needs. RightSeat Staffing and Search helps churches move from “We need somebody” to a strategic hiring process built around clarity. From defining the role and finding the right candidate to interviews, onboarding, and long-term support, our team helps you build the process before you make the hire. Not sure where to begin? Start with a conversation with Keith Turner Jr about your church, your team, and the seat you're trying to fill. Book a consultation with Keith Turner (https://calendly.com/d/ds9p-9jc-dz4/rightseat-clarity-call) Learn more about RightSeat Staffing and Search (https://rightseat.andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/)

3. 

   17 Aug 2026

   Your Hiring Problem Might Actually Be a Clarity Problem | Keith Turner Jr

   What if the person you think is underperforming isn’t actually the problem? Churches often respond to staffing challenges by searching for better people. But before you replace someone, or make your next hire, it may be time to ask a harder question: Is the role actually clear? In this episode of The RightSeat Conversations, Sheldon Andrus sits down with Keith Turner Jr, Senior Advisor at Andrus Advisory and former Apple leader, to explore what the church can learn from one of the world’s most disciplined organizations about building healthy teams. Keith shares how his experience at Apple shaped the way he thinks about role clarity, expectations, accountability, and organizational alignment, and why even incredibly talented people can struggle when they’ve been placed in poorly defined roles. Sheldon and Keith unpack the difference between a true people problem and a leadership structure problem, why ambiguity quietly creates frustration and inefficiency, and what begins to change when leaders know exactly what they own, how success is measured, and where they fit within the organization. You’ll discover why: Great people can still fail in unclear roles Hiring someone new won’t automatically solve a structural problem Clear expectations create healthier accountability Role clarity can unlock capacity already sitting on your team The right person in the right seat can change the trajectory of an organization Because sometimes you don’t need a better person. You need a clearer seat. Ready to Get the Right Person in the Right Seat? Before you post another job description or make another hire, make sure you’ve clearly defined who you actually need. RightSeat Staffing and Search by Andrus Advisory helps churches clarify the role, identify and recruit the right leader, navigate interviews and selection, and support the transition beyond the hire. Learn more about RightSeat Hiring (https://rightseat.andrusadvisory.com/) Not sure whether your church has a hiring problem, a structure problem, or both? Talk directly with Keith about what’s happening on your team. Book a consultation with Keith Turner (https://calendly.com/d/ds9p-9jc-dz4/rightseat-clarity-call) FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/)

4. 

   10 Aug 2026

   You Need Executive Talent… But Can You Afford It? | The Church Hiring Dilemma

   Every pastor wants capable, experienced leaders around them. But there’s a tension many churches eventually face: You need executive-level leadership, but you may not have an executive-level budget. So what do you do when the caliber of leader your church needs and the compensation you can afford don’t seem to match? In Episode 2 of The RightSeat Conversations, Sheldon Andrus and Keith Turner tackle the complicated relationship between compensation, capacity, responsibility, and church growth. This conversation goes beyond simply asking, “What should we pay?” Sheldon and Keith unpack why compensation has to be considered alongside the actual expectations of the role, and what happens when churches unintentionally ask someone to carry executive-level responsibility without the structure or compensation to support it. In this episode, you’ll hear how to think strategically about compensation when your budget is limited, why responsibility and salary have to remain aligned, the hidden costs of hiring too early or into the wrong organizational structure, and creative ways churches can build stronger leadership teams without financially overextending themselves. You’ll also hear an important reframe for ministry leaders: Purpose is a form of currency, but purpose cannot replace healthy structure, clear expectations, and responsible compensation. Because the goal isn't simply to fill an open position. The goal is to build a leadership team capable of sustaining where your church is going next. Not Sure What You Should Be Paying? Before you post the position or make an offer, get some clarity. The Executive Pastor Compensation Guide provides practical benchmarks to help you think through compensation based on church size, role expectations, and organizational complexity. Download the Executive Pastor Compensation Guide (https://andrusadvisory.com/xpcomp) And if the bigger question is who you need, what the role should actually be, or how to find the right person, RightSeat Staffing and Search can help. Our team partners with churches to define the role, identify the right candidates, navigate interviews and selection, and support the transition through onboarding and beyond. Start the RightSeat Hiring conversation (https://rightseat.andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/)

5. 

   3 Aug 2026

   You’re Waiting Too Long to Hire | The Cost of Delaying the Right Seat

   You know you need help. The harder question is: When is it actually time to hire? For many pastors, the decision to add someone to the team comes with real tension. Can we afford it? What if we hire the wrong person? Is the church really ready? Should we wait until we grow a little more? But waiting has a cost too. In Episode 1 of The RightSeat Conversations, Sheldon Andrus and Keith Turner unpack one of the most important staffing decisions a pastor will make: knowing when it’s time to move from recognizing the need to actually making the hire. They explore why leaders often wait longer than they should, how financial pressure and fear can complicate the decision, and what delayed hiring can quietly cost your church in momentum, systems, leadership capacity, and ultimately impact. In this conversation, you’ll learn why hiring can feel heavier than it should, how to recognize the signals that your current structure has reached its limit, the risks of waiting too long to add leadership capacity, and what to consider before you begin your next search. Because sometimes the question isn’t whether you can afford to hire. It’s whether you can afford to keep waiting. Ready to Find the Right Person for the Right Seat? If your church is navigating a staffing decision, RightSeat Staffing and Search was built to help you make it with greater clarity and confidence. We help churches define the right leadership role, identify and evaluate the right candidates, navigate interviews and selection, and provide support through onboarding and beyond; because a successful search isn't finished when someone accepts the offer. Learn more about RightSeat Hiring (https://rightseat.andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/)

6. 

   27 Jul 2026

   How Do You Lead Change Without Losing People? | Sheldon Andrus x Pastor Robert "Ty" Jones

   What happens when you're handed the keys to a church with more than a century of history... before your 34th birthday? In this episode of Irresistible Leader, Sheldon Andrus sits down with Pastor Robert "Ty" Jones, Senior Pastor of First Institutional Baptist Church in Phoenix, Arizona, to discuss one of leadership's greatest challenges: leading change while honoring legacy. As Sheldon frames it, every leader eventually faces the moment when they're handed the keys and suddenly inherit not just responsibility, but everyone's expectations, emotions, and history. After serving at some of the country's most influential churches, including Alfred Street Baptist Church under Dr. Howard John Wesley, Pastor Robert stepped into one of Phoenix's oldest and most historic congregations. Just 93 days into his tenure, he reflects on the lessons, surprises, and leadership decisions that have already reshaped him. Together, Sheldon and Ty unpack what it takes to lead people through change without losing trust, how to prioritize what matters most when everyone has an opinion, and why self-awareness, humility, and continuous growth are essential for every leader. Whether you're stepping into a new role, leading a historic organization, or trying to navigate change with wisdom, this conversation will remind you that leadership isn't about having all the answers. It's about remaining teachable every step of the journey. Pastor Robert closes with a powerful reminder that if the steps of a leader are ordered by God, then even the stops are part of the development process. This is a conversation about leadership, legacy, humility, and the courage to lead what's next without forgetting what came before. FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW PASTOR ROBERT TY JONES: https://www.instagram.com/roberttyjones (https://www.instagram.com/roberttyjones) LEARN MORE ABOUT FIRST INSTITUTIONAL BAPTIST CHURCH: https://www.fibcaz.org/ (https://www.fibcaz.org/) CHAPTERS 0:00 Every Leader Eventually Faces This Moment 1:58 Meet Pastor Ty Roberts 6:16 From Executive Staff to Senior Pastor 15:18 What Surprised Him Most 19:31 What He Knew Was Coming 23:07 How Do You Change a 120-Year-Old Church? 26:20 His First Three Priorities 29:45 The Art of Disappointing People 34:10 Leading People Old Enough to Be Your Parents 38:27 The Skill He's Still Working On 42:04 The Secret to Becoming an Irresistible Leader 44:18 Every Stop Is Developing You

7. 

   20 Jul 2026

   The Hidden Leader Behind Every Great Church | Sheldon Andrus x Darius Trainer

   What does an Executive Pastor actually do? Behind every healthy, growing church is someone translating vision into execution. While most people know the senior pastor, few understand the leader working behind the scenes to build systems, develop teams, manage complexity, and help the vision move from inspiration to implementation. In this episode of Irresistible Leader, Sheldon Andrus sits down with executive pastor, leadership strategist, and trusted advisor Darius Trainer for one of the most insightful conversations we've had on second-chair leadership. Drawing from years of experience leading inside some of the nation's most influential churches, Darius shares what it really takes to become an exceptional Executive Pastor and why the role has far less to do with operations than most people think. Together, Sheldon and Darius unpack the leadership habits, relational intelligence, and spiritual maturity required to lead from the second chair while helping organizations thrive. Whether you're an Executive Pastor, Operations Director, Ministry Leader, or Senior Pastor looking to build a stronger leadership team, this conversation will challenge the way you think about leadership. FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) FOLLOW ANDRUS ADVISORY ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW DARIUS TRAINER ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/darius.trainer/ (https://www.instagram.com/darius.trainer/)

8. 

   13 Jul 2026

   The Biblical Case for Second-Seat Leaders | Sheldon Andrus x Christian Carson

   What if the role you've been called to isn't second best... What if it's biblical? In this powerful episode of Irresistible Leader, Sheldon sits down with Pastor Christian Carson, Spiritual Formation Pastor at Change Church, to unpack one of the most overlooked leadership conversations in the Church today: The Second-Seat Anointing. Drawing from Scripture, Pastor Christian reveals why leaders like Aaron, Joseph, John the Baptist, Samuel, and David offer a biblical framework for executive pastors, ministry leaders, and second-seat leaders who are called to help carry vision rather than create it. This isn't just a leadership conversation. It's a theological one. FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) FOLLOW CHRISTIAN CARSON: http://www.instagram.com/thenewchristian (http://www.instagram.com/thenewchristian)

9. 

   29 Jun 2026

   Why Your Church Needs More Than a Bookkeeper | Sheldon Andrus x Janelle Montgomery

   As churches grow, so do the financial decisions that shape their future. In this final episode of the Financially Healthy Churches series, Sheldon sits down with Janelle Montgomery, CPA, to discuss why healthy churches need more than bookkeeping, they need financial strategy. Together they explore the difference between a CPA and a CFO, why financial clarity fuels ministry, and how pastors can build systems that support long-term vision. If your church is growing, planning for expansion, or preparing for what's next, this conversation will help you steward your resources with greater confidence and purpose. Healthy ministry requires healthy financial leadership. WANT TO GO DEEPER? If your church is ready for greater financial clarity, healthier systems, and strategic financial leadership, we'd love to help. Learn how Andrus Advisory Financial Services can help your church build a stronger financial foundation: https://finance.andrusadvisory.com/ (https://finance.andrusadvisory.com/) Download "The 10 Hidden Financial Red Flags in Church Finances": https://andrusadvisory.com/financial-redflags (https://andrusadvisory.com/financial-redflags) WATCH THE WHOLE SERIES: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JtywhsGeyZPM5iT8RsaV3SVYgzLAXq (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JtywhsGeyZPM5iT8RsaV3SVYgzLAXq) FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) LEARN MORE AND FOLLOW JANELLE: https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa (https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa)

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    23 Jun 2026

    Is Your Church Financially Healthy? | Sheldon Andrus x Janelle Montgomery

    Most financial problems in churches don't happen overnight. They develop quietly through unclear systems, reactive decisions, and a lack of financial structure. In this episode of Financially Healthy Churches, Sheldon sits down with Janelle Montgomery, CPA, to unpack some of the most common financial red flags they see in churches across the country. From operating off a bank balance instead of a budget to making financial decisions without data, this conversation provides practical insight for pastors, executive pastors, board members, and church leaders who want to steward resources well and build a financially healthy ministry. In This Episode: Why your bank balance is not your budget The importance of cash reserves and financial policies How faith and financial data work together When it's time to hire staff and when it's not Why every church needs financial accountability The role healthy systems play in supporting ministry growth Key Takeaway: "Every dollar needs an assignment." Healthy churches don't just manage money. They steward resources with purpose, clarity, and intentionality. If you're serious about building a financially healthy church, this conversation is a great place to start. WANT TO GO DEEPER? If your church is growing and you're ready for more strategic financial leadership, our Financial Services team helps churches create the structure, systems, and financial clarity needed to support long-term ministry impact. Learn more about our Financial Services: https://finance.andrusadvisory.com/ (https://finance.andrusadvisory.com/) Download "The 10 Hidden Financial Red Flags in Church Finances": https://andrusadvisory.com/financial-redflags (https://andrusadvisory.com/financial-redflags) -- FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) LEARN MORE AND FOLLOW JANELLE: https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa (https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa)

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    18 Jun 2026

    The Church Budget Mistake Most Pastors Are Making | Sheldon Andrus x Janelle Montgomery

    Most pastors know their church needs a budget. Far fewer know how to build a budget that actually supports the mission. In this episode of our Church Finance Conversations (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JtywhsGeyZPM5iT8RsaV3SVYgzLAXq) series, Sheldon sits down with Janelle Montgomery to unpack one of the most important financial conversations for growing churches: budget clarity. One of the most powerful moments in the conversation: “The money has to be aligned to the mission.” Because healthy churches do not just receive resources. They steward them with clarity, structure, and purpose. FOLLOW (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) SHELDON ON IG LEARN MORE (https://andrusadvisory.com/) ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY LEARN MORE (https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa) AND FOLLOW JANELLE If your church is growing and you're ready for more strategic financial leadership, our Financial Services team helps churches create the structure, systems, and financial clarity needed to support long-term ministry impact. Schedule an intro conversation with our team here (https://calendly.com/sheldon-j-andrus/intro-call-finance).

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    9 Jun 2026

    The Financial Mistake Most Pastors Are Making | Sheldon Andrus x Janelle Montgomery

    Many pastors are trying to lead healthy churches while carrying unhealthy financial pressure. In this first Church Finance Conversations episode, Sheldon and Janelle Montgomery discuss the financial habits, systems, and structures that help pastors move from survival to stewardship. From compensation planning and housing allowance to budgeting and personal financial goals, this conversation provides practical wisdom every pastor needs. Healthy ministry starts with healthy stewardship. -- WANT TO GO DEEPER? If your church is growing and you're ready for more strategic financial leadership, our Financial Services team helps churches create the structure, systems, and financial clarity needed to support long-term ministry impact. Schedule an intro conversation with our team: https://calendly.com/sheldon-j-andrus/intro-call-finance (https://calendly.com/sheldon-j-andrus/intro-call-finance) -- FOLLOW SHELDON ON IG: https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus) LEARN MORE ABOUT ANDRUS ADVISORY: https://andrusadvisory.com/ (https://andrusadvisory.com/) LEARN MORE AND FOLLOW JANELLE: https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa (https://www.instagram.com/coachjanellecpa)

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    19 May 2026

    Why Your Best People Keep Leaving | Sheldon Andrus x Chandler Boyce

    Why do great leaders lose great people? In this episode, Sheldon sits down with Chandler Boyce for a real conversation on the leadership habits that quietly push teams away. From ego and lack of accountability to poor communication and emotional immaturity, this episode exposes what most leaders don’t see in themselves. Leadership doesn’t hide your weaknesses. It reveals them. If your team isn’t sticking, this will show you why. Follow Sheldon on IG (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus/) Follow Andrus Advisory on IG (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) Follow Irresistible Leader on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@sjandrus) Follow Chandler Boyce on IG (https://www.instagram.com/chandlerdboyce/)

14. 

    5 May 2026

    Build What God Called You To | Sheldon Andrus x Pastor Mark Johnson

    What do you do when you feel called but don’t know where to start? In Part 2 of this conversation on Irresistible Leader, Sheldon continues the discussion with Pastor Mark Johnson, Lead Pastor of Mercy Road Church in Anderson, focusing on the practical realities of church planting and the tension many leaders feel when they know something is stirring, but haven’t taken action. This episode is a direct conversation for builders. For leaders carrying something internally, but waiting externally. And the challenge is simple: Stop waiting. Start building. Follow Sheldon on IG (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus/) Follow Andrus Advisory on IG (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) Follow Irresistible Leader on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@sjandrus) Follow Pastor Mark Johnson (https://www.instagram.com/mark1911_/)

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    28 Apr 2026

    The Church Plant No One Saw Coming | Sheldon Andrus x Pastor Mark Johnson

    What if the reason you’re not seeing momentum has nothing to do with how hard you’re working? In this episode of Irresistible Leader, Sheldon sits down with Pastor Mark Johnson, Lead Pastor of Mercy Road Church in Anderson, for a conversation that challenges conventional thinking around leadership and growth. Pastor Mark’s story alone will shift your perspective. A Black church planter from Baltimore, now leading a thriving church in a city most wouldn’t choose and doing it in a way most wouldn’t attempt. No built-in network. No perfect demographic alignment. No “safe” strategy. Just conviction, obedience and a willingness to take steps in the dark. And today, God is using that obedience in a powerful way. But this conversation goes deeper than the story. Follow Sheldon on IG (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus/) Follow Andrus Advisory on IG (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) Follow Irresistible Leader on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@sjandrus) Follow Pastor Mark Johnson (https://www.instagram.com/mark1911_/)

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    22 Apr 2026

    Leading Without the Spotlight | Sheldon Andrus x Pastor Khalil Tubbs

    What does it really take to lead from the second seat? In this episode of Irresistible Leader, Sheldon sits down with Pastor Khalil Tubbs of Reformation Network for a raw and practical conversation on the reality of being a “number two” leader; where alignment matters more than authority, and execution is everything. This isn’t a surface-level conversation. It’s a deep dive into the emotional, relational, and strategic weight carried by executive pastors and second-seat leaders every day. From navigating tension with senior leadership to building systems that bring vision to life, Khalil unpacks what it means to lead powerfully without needing the spotlight. Follow Sheldon on IG (https://www.instagram.com/sjandrus/) Follow Andrus Advisory on IG (https://www.instagram.com/andrusadvisory) Follow Irresistible Leader on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@sjandrus) Follow Khalil Tubbs on IG (https://www.instagram.com/khaliltubbs/) Learn more about Reformation Network (https://www.reformationnet.com/home)

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