Joni McGary Talks with People is for anyone who's lost all faith in institutional narratives and theatrics and is wondering how to actually live well right now. Host Joni McGary (co-founded No College Mandates) has real conversations with researchers, doctors, writers, artists, and independent thinkers about everything from medical freedom and pandemic policies to beauty, craft, community, and what it means to rebuild relationships and society when trust has been crushed. It's thoughtful, relaxed, with no frenzied spin—just genuine talks with interesting people who know things. <br/><br/><a href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">jonimcgary.substack.com</a>
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Joni McGary Talks with People is for anyone who's lost all faith in institutional narratives and theatrics and is wondering how to actually live well right now. Host Joni McGary (co-founded No College Mandates) has real conversations with researchers, doctors, writers, artists, and independent thinkers about everything from medical freedom and pandemic policies to beauty, craft, community, and what it means to rebuild relationships and society when trust has been crushed. It's thoughtful, relaxed, with no frenzied spin—just genuine talks with interesting people who know things. <br/><br/><a href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">jonimcgary.substack.com</a>
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Recent Episodes
June 3, 2026
You Will Own Nothing: The Rise of Technocracy
<p>Most people have never heard the word "technocracy" and yet it may be one of the most important forces shaping our lives. I asked Patrick Wood, the world's foremost living expert on technocracy, to give us a Technocracy 101 lesson. Patrick has spent five decades researching this topic, and after reading his latest book, The New Economics of Technocracy: You Will Own Nothing, I was pretty bowled over by the depth of what he's uncovered. </p><p>Patrick takes us through the history of Technocracy, how the Trilateral Commission has advanced it, and how the Gaza Rebuild is a live test case for technocratic governance. We talk about how you can fight it by opposing data centers in your own community.</p><p>It’s a huge topic that needs much more discussion than a single hour. Patrick’s excellent Substack and his books are great sources of additional information. Links are in the show notes.</p><p>Find Patrick Wood:</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://patrickwood.substack.com">Patrick Wood’s Technocracy News on Substack</a></p><p>Books by Patrick Wood:</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.Technocracy.news">Technocracy News Website</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/s?k=patrick+wood+technocracy&crid=10S2JDC1TONPK&sprefix=pat%2Caps%2C377&ref=nb_sb_noss_2">On Amazon</a></p><p><strong>Learn more about CrowdHealth:</strong></p><p>I recently stopped purchasing health insurance and opted into <strong>CrowdHealth </strong>instead. Check it out at <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">JoinCrowdHealth.com</a></p><p>If you join, use code JONI to get a discount on your first three months of membership. There are no enrollment periods, so you can join any time. If you are tired of supporting the broken, consumer-hostile system of health insurance, check out <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">CrowdHealth</a>.</p><p>For the entire scoop on CrowdHealth, here’s the <a target="_blank" href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com/p/breaking-up-with-health-insurance">link</a> to my very informative interview with CrowdHealth CEO Andy Schoonover.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">jonimcgary.substack.com</a>
May 26, 2026
Trillion-Dollar Pandemic Agendas: Starving Basic Health for Inflated Biosecurity
<p>I invited Professor Garrett Wallace Brown to discuss his work examining the data behind trillion-dollar global pandemic preparedness agendas and how those agendas are impacting the world’s poorest nations. The basic public health programs that save the most lives (malaria, tuberculosis, nutrition, sanitation, maternal health) are losing funding to biosecurity initiatives built on risk models that are grossly inflated and cost estimates that don’t add up.</p><p>Garrett has spent more than 25 years in global health, often with a seat at the table where very high-level decisions are made. Through his work consulting for the WHO and World Bank, and as a principal investigator on <a target="_blank" href="https://brownstone.org/reppare/">REPPARE</a> (RE-evaluating the Pandemic Preparedness And REsponse Agenda), he has evaluated the source data being used to drive enormous pandemic budgets and found serious problems with how risk, severity, and cost have been calculated. He is also part of a team developing a blueprint for what an ideal global public health organization could look like through the <a target="_blank" href="https://brownstone.org/ihrp/">International Health Reform Project</a>. His full bio is in the show notes below.</p><p>Garrett’s impartial and circumspect approach to the material brings much-needed clarity to a crucial and too often sensationalized discussion.</p><p>We close out with some practical advice from Garrett on how to read and evaluate news headlines about viral outbreaks. I found it very useful.</p><p><strong>More information about Garrett Wallace Brown and where to find him:</strong></p><p><strong>Bio:</strong> Garrett Wallace Brown is Chair of Global Health Policy at the University of Leeds, UK. He is Co-Lead of the Global Health Research Unit and research collaborator with the WHO on health emergency evidence and analytics. His research focuses on global health governance, health financing, health system strengthening, health equity, and estimating the costs and funding feasibility of pandemic preparedness and response. He has conducted policy and research collaborations in global health for over 25 years and has worked with NGOs, governments in Africa, the UK’s Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO), the UK Cabinet Office, WHO, G7 and G20.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.leeds.ac.uk/online-courses/dir-record/profiles/22896/professor-garrett-wallace-brown">University of Leeds Profile</a> </p><p><strong>Latest Publications 2026:</strong></p><p>* From pathogens to policy: using network analysis to map the knowledge base on human–zoonotic disease dynamics underpinning global pandemic policy, Health Research and Policy and Systems (2026): <a target="_blank" href="http://10.0.4.162/s12961-025-01434-5">10.1186/s12961-025-01434-5</a></p><p>* Rethinking Global Health Reform After Covid-19: Legitimacy Before Authority, International Health Policies (2026): <a target="_blank" href="https://www.internationalhealthpolicies.org/featured-article/rethinking-global-health-reform-after-covid-19-legitimacy-before-authority/">https://www.internationalhealthpolicies.org/featured-article/rethinking-global-health-reform-after-covid-19-legitimacy-before-authority/</a></p><p>* Closing the Deal? An Examination of the 2025 Report of the G20 High Level Independent Panel on Pandemic Preparedness and Response: <a target="_blank" href="https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/downloads/download/274/closing-the-deal">REPPARE report</a> (2026).</p><p>* The Right to Health Sovereignty. <a target="_blank" href="https://internationalhealthreformpanel.org/reports/the-right-to-health-sovereignty-policy-report-april-2026">Policy Report</a>. International Health Reform Panel. 164 pages.</p><p>* The Right to Health Sovereignty. <a target="_blank" href="https://internationalhealthreformpanel.org/reports/the-right-to-health-sovereignty-technical-report-april-2026">Technical Report.</a> International Health Reform Panel. 249 pages.</p><p><strong>Supporting Health Initiatives Report</strong></p><p>* Increasing African Government Membership on the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria, report commissioned by SHI in advance of the South African G20 Leaders Summit (2025). <a target="_blank" href="https://www.supportinghi.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/INCREASING-AFRICAN-MEMBERSHIP-GFATM-1.pdf">Report.</a></p><p><strong>REPPARE Reports</strong></p><p>* ‘The cost of pandemic preparedness: An examination of costings and the financial requests in support of the pandemic prevention, preparedness and response agenda’ (2024): <a target="_blank" href="https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/downloads/download/234/the-cost-of-pandemic-preparedness-an-examination-of-costings-and-the-financial-requests-in-support-of-the-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response-agenda">https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/downloads/download/234/the-cost-of-pandemic-preparedness-an-examination-of-costings-and-the-financial-requests-in-support-of-the-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response-agenda</a></p><p>* Rational policy over panic: A report on zoonosis spill-over risk assessments in pandemic preparedness and response policy (2024): <a target="_blank" href="https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/downloads/download/228/rational-policy-over-panic">https://essl.leeds.ac.uk/downloads/download/228/rational-policy-over-panic</a></p><p></p><p><strong>IHRP Reports (International Health Reform Project)</strong></p><p>* The Right to Health Sovereignty. <a target="_blank" href="https://internationalhealthreformpanel.org/reports/the-right-to-health-sovereignty-policy-report-april-2026">Policy Report</a>. International Health Reform Panel. 164 pages.</p><p>* The Right to Health Sovereignty. <a target="_blank" href="https://internationalhealthreformpanel.org/reports/the-right-to-health-sovereignty-technical-report-april-2026">Technical Report.</a> International Health Reform Panel. 249 pages.</p><p><strong>Learn more about CrowdHealth:</strong></p><p>I recently stopped purchasing health insurance and opted into <strong>CrowdHealth </strong>instead. Check it out at <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">JoinCrowdHealth.com</a></p><p>If you join, use code JONI to get a discount on your first three months of membership. There are no enrollment periods, so you can join any time. If you are tired of supporting the broken, consumer-hostile system of health insurance, check out <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">CrowdHealth</a>.</p><p>For the entire scoop on CrowdHealth, here’s the <a target="_blank" href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com/p/breaking-up-with-health-insurance">link</a> to my very informative interview with CrowdHealth CEO Andy Schoonover.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">jonimcgary.substack.com</a>
May 19, 2026
Dr. Meryl Nass on the Farm Crisis
<p>My guest today is Dr. Meryl Nass, a physician, researcher, and one of the wisest voices I know on the forces shaping our health, our food supply, and our liberty.</p><p>We dig into the American farming crisis and the government policies that have hurt rather than helped independent farmers, and that appear to be putting our national food security at genuine risk. Meryl explains how federal farm programs have been captured by agribusiness, leaving behind the 98% of farmers who are small operators. We cover the many pressures driving farms into unprofitability, including a stunning statistic: between 2017 and 2022, 20 million acres of harvested cropland went fallow and 142,000 farms — 8% of all American farms — went under. Meryl also gives an update on the Farm Bill that just passed the House. It’s mostly bad news, but there are a few silver linings worth knowing about.</p><p>We then turn to the Ebola and Hantavirus outbreak headlines. Meryl gives her honest assessment of actual risk versus manufactured fear, and why she believes these stories may be serving a much larger agenda around WHO power and global health governance.</p><p>We close with something I really needed to hear: how Meryl stays grounded, purposeful, and optimistic in the middle of all of this. I think you’ll find it as inspiring as I did.</p><p><strong>Find Dr. Meryl Nass</strong></p><p><strong>On Substack: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://merylnass.substack.com/"><strong>Meryl’s CHAOS Letter (Critical Health Analysis and OpinionS)</strong></a></p><p><strong>Find Meryl on Children’s Health Defense: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/"><strong>CHDTV</strong></a><strong> (Dr. Nass is on every other Tuesday and the last Thursday of the month)</strong></p><p><strong>New Hampshire Farm Bill: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://fastdemocracy.com/bill-search/nh/2026/bills/NHB00014985/"><strong>HB 396</strong></a></p><p></p><p><strong>Learn more about CrowdHealth:</strong></p><p>I recently stopped purchasing health insurance and opted into <strong>CrowdHealth</strong>instead. Check it out at <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">JoinCrowdHealth.com</a></p><p>If you join, use code JONI to get a discount on your first three months of membership. There are no enrollment periods, so you can join any time. If you are tired of supporting the broken, consumer-hostile system of health insurance, check out <a target="_blank" href="https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/?referral_code=JONI">CrowdHealth</a>.</p><p>For the entire scoop on CrowdHealth, here’s the <a target="_blank" href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com/p/breaking-up-with-health-insurance">link</a> to my very informative interview with their CEO Andy Schoonover.</p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://jonimcgary.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">jonimcgary.substack.com</a>
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