Klimatic Scale

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Klimatic Scale is a show about commercial scale in energy, built environment, and mobility innovation - the sectors core towards reaching net zero goals in Europe. So why are we stalling? Join award-winning ecosystem builders Aneri and Dash as they discuss best ways to scale with industry leaders, entrepreneurs, and experts. We cover: 1. Success stories and what works from pilot to scale 2. Specific industry cases & success stories, dissected and analyzed 3. What works best for speedy commercialization to get to net zero klimaticgroup.substack.com (https://klimaticgroup.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)

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First episode

7 May 2025

Latest episode

29 Jul 2026

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33 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   29 Jul 2026

   Scaling EV Software in a Fragmented Infrastructure Landscape

   Chargetrip (https://www.chargetrip.com/) is an Amsterdam-based software company that provides a smart EV (Electric Vehicle) routing engine and e-mobility intelligence platform. Through its APIs and no-code tools, it helps automakers, fleet operators, and charging networks build custom route planners, simulate energy consumption, and predict accurate real-time driving ranges for over 1,500 EV models. Headquartered in the Netherlands, their technology is widely integrated into brand-owned apps, web-based route planners, and in-car navigation systems for companies like Porsche, Siemens, and Plugsurfing. Connect with Gideon van Dijk on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/gideonvd/). 00:00 – The Problem Chargetrip Solves03:45 – 10 Years Building in E-Mobility06:30 – What They Got Right (and Wrong) About EV Adoption08:00 – The First Customer: Norway’s EV Association11:00 – How Chargetrip’s Routing Engine Works14:00 – Different Customers, Different KPIs17:00 – The Hardest Part of Scaling19:30 – Selling into Automotive and Energy Giants24:00 – Commercial EV Fleets: The Next Growth Frontier27:00 – Advice for Mobility Founders29:00 – Closing Thoughts & What’s Next The State of European EV Charging Infrastructure The electric vehicle (EV) market is transitioning from an early phase focused on mass deployment of charging points to a phase focused on expanding overall charging capacity, mainly through high-power charging. Consequently, local grid constraints are emerging as one of the main bottlenecks. State of the Market According to the International Energy Agency (IEA) (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10), global private charging points for light-duty vehicles (LDVs) reached over 43 million in 2025, supporting a global electric LDV fleet of roughly 76 million. Meanwhile, the public charging infrastructure expanded by more than 33% in 2025, surpassing 7 million public charging points worldwide. With the diversification and maturation of the EV market toward an economic mass market, the average price of a vehicle decreased while battery capacity and driving range remained broadly stable. At the same time, higher oil prices increased the financial attractiveness of EVs. The IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) notes that financial savings associated with driving an EV rather than a gasoline car have risen between 20% and 45% in most countries. Home vs. Public Charging Home charging remains the preferred and cheapest method. In Norway, 90% (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) of EV owners can charge at home. Many European countries offer direct subsidies for charging at home. To prevent residential charging from overloading local grids, regulatory frameworks have been increasingly introduced in Europe: * Germany: Key regulations such as §14a of the Energy Industry Act (EnWG) (https://3072024.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/3072024/Reports/gridX%20Charging%20Report%202026.pdf)incentivise grid-friendly charging and smart load management by allowing distribution system operators to temporarily control flexible loads during periods of grid congestion, in return for reduced grid charges. * The Netherlands: According to the Charging Report 2026 by gridX (https://3072024.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/3072024/Reports/gridX%20Charging%20Report%202026.pdf), the majority of home charging EV drivers already have solar (PV) systems, making smart home charging the standard baseline in the Netherlands. In contrast, public fast charging is associated with a considerable price premium. In some markets, public fast-charging tariffs can be up to 240% (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) higher than residential electricity rates. The High-Power Transition Worldwide deployment is increasingly prioritizing high-power, ultra-fast charging. The IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10)shows that the average speed of charging points worldwide increased by 15% in one year, rising from approximately 40kW in 2024 to nearly 50kW in 2025. * Germany: In Europe, Germany leads in the deployment of ultra-fast chargers, with its share of ultra-fast chargers increasing from 4% in 2020 to 19% in 2025 (https://3072024.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/3072024/Reports/gridX%20Charging%20Report%202026.pdf). * The Netherlands: Following its leading position in Europe in terms of density, the share of high-speed chargers in the Netherlands doubled (https://3072024.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/3072024/Reports/gridX%20Charging%20Report%202026.pdf), while slow chargers experienced a relative decline. International Energy Agency (IEA) (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) (2026). Licence: CC BY 4.0. Commercial Fleet Electrification While dedicated charging infrastructure for electric trucks and heavy commercial fleets grows steadily, overnight depot charging will remain the backbone of such fleets for many years. However, there is growing momentum behind heavy-duty vehicles (HDVs) charging corridors on the highways. * China: Leads global development with 5,000 to 9,000 (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) public HDV charging stations – representing an estimated 70,000 individual charging points – supported by integrated grid planning. * Europe: Follows with over 4,000 public (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) HDV charging points, supported by major EU funding commitments such as the Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Facility (AFIF). Smart Grids & Virtual Extension The most pressing constraint on the development of high-power fast charging remains the grid, as high-power fast charging also creates energy demand peaks. To bypass grid upgrade delays, digital and hardware solutions are increasingly gaining relevance: * Virtual Grid Extensions: Using battery energy storage systems (BESS) (https://3072024.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/3072024/Reports/gridX%20Charging%20Report%202026.pdf) at charging stations to moderate power on-site. * Software Optimization: Implementing dynamic tariff management, peak shaving, and dynamic load balancing. Finally, fast-charging corridors are expanding providing more flexibility for EV users. Nevertheless, home charging remains the backbone of e-mobility, and private charging capacity is expected to increase almost ninefold by 2035. (https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/electric-vehicle-charging-chap-6-and-10) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com (https://klimaticgroup.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

2. 

   22 Jul 2026

   Scaling Digital Solutions for EV Charging

   Gridio (https://www.gridio.io/) is an Estonian cleantech startup that builds software to optimize when electric vehicles (and other home devices) consume electricity, aligning usage with cheap, renewable-heavy hours to cut costs and ease grid stress. Gridio’s core product automatically schedules EV charging based on real-time electricity prices, grid congestion signals, and renewable availability, so cars charge when it’s cheapest and cleanest without user intervention. The software connects directly to OEM clouds (car manufacturers) and to solar/battery inverters, so users don’t need extra hardware to enable smart charging. It offers a consumer app across the EU and also provides API/white-label “smart charging as a service” for businesses with EV drivers (e.g., fleets, energy retailers, employers). Connect with Braeden Holmes on LinkedIn here (https://www.linkedin.com/in/braeden-holmes/). 00:00 – Introduction: Why EV Flexibility Matters02:20 – Building Gridio: From B2C Proof of Concept to B2B Scale05:30 – Solving the OEM Challenge09:15 – Selling to Utilities: The Long Road to Scale13:30 – Europe’s Innovation Landscape15:45 – The Biggest Scaling Challenge: Changing Minds19:00 – From Pilot to Procurement22:00 – Winning Tenders and Scaling Deployments25:00 – The Future of EV Flexibility28:00 – Advice for Climate Tech Founders The State of Vehicle-to-Grid Technologies Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) is a smart charging system that enables a bidirectional flow of energy between EVs and the power grid. The EV can feed electricity back into the grid during peak demand hours, mitigating grid constraints. To achieve this the vehicle must be connected to a compatible bidirectional charging station, communicating with the local utility provider. According to the International Energy Agency (https://www.iea.org/reports/vehicle-to-grid-technology) (IEA), a regulatory milestone was reached when “Germany eliminated double grid fees for bidirectional charging points at the end of 2025”, effectively clearing the path for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) commercialization. Before this shift, electric vehicle (EV) owners were financially penalized, paying grid fees twice: once when charging the vehicle and again when feeding energy back into the system. Drawing from the latest reports by the IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/vehicle-to-grid-technology), this article breaks down how the technology works, the economic incentives and hurdles left to clear. BloombergNEF (https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/bloombergnefs-electric-vehicle-outlook-2026-global-ev-sales-set-for-another-record-breaking-year-but-growth-in-some-major-markets-slows/#:~:text=The%20EV%20fleet%20consumed%20367%20terawatt%2Dhours%20in,globally%20to%20incorporate%20electric%20vehicles%20by%202040.)’s Electric Vehicle Outlook forecasts that the global EV fleet’s consumption will skyrocket from 367 terawatt-hours in 2025 to over 2,700 terawatt-hours by 2040. This is why the global grid infrastructure will require an investment of over $800 billion by 2040. Consequently, V2G can be seen as a significant opportunity for grid expansion. For instance, the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) (https://www.fssustainability.com.au/arena-backs-major-expansion-of-vehicle-to-grid-trial#:~:text=According%20to%20ARENA%2C%20the%20expanded%20rollout%20is,the%20cost%20of%20the%20network%20for%20everyone.%22) recently invested $16.8 million to expand residential V2G projects, accelerating the adoption of EVs as flexible energy assets. How It Works AC vs. DC Charging To enable bidirectional power transfer, power electronics must convert electricity, while strictly complying with utility grid standards. Currently, the market offers two technological paths: * AC (Alternating Current) Charging: In this setup, the vehicle converts the battery’s DC power to the grid’s AC power. The external charger acts merely as a communication link. * DC (Direct Current) Charging: Here the vehicle exports DC electricity straight out of the battery. The external DC charger converts the power to AC. The external charger is responsible for grid compliance and tracking real-time grid stability. The Rise of Dynamic Tariffs For individual EV owners, the transition from consumer to energy trader relies on software innovations. While retail consumers traditionally pay a flat rate for electricity, utilities trade on volatile energy exchange markets. During midday, when solar generation is high, the prices usually drop. In the evening peak hours, as people return home and switch on household appliances, demand increases, forcing utilities to turn on power stations. V2G eliminates this inefficiency through dynamic electricity tariffs, adjusting consumer electricity prices in short intervals based on the market conditions. The charging station management system (CSMS) calculates optimal charging schedules, allowing the vehicle to acquire energy when it’s cheapest and sell it back when demand is high. From Car Owner to Energy Trader The IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/vehicle-to-grid-technology) estimates that EV owners participating in V2G grid services can generate revenues ranging to over $1000 per year. The EV owners can create revenue through three primary value streams: * Energy Arbitrage: Charging when demand is low and discharging when prices are high. * Ancillary Services: Providing frequency and voltage stability to grid operators, by adjusting charging times. * Blackout Support: Offer emergency power source to help restore electricity during grid failures. However, the window of high profitability may not last forever. As many more EVs join the grid and offer V2G, the supply of stability services will skyrocket, causing financial returns to eventually decline. But at the moment, vehicle availability remains scarce, less than 1,5% of all EV models possess V2G capabilities, representing only 22 models, as depicted by the IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/vehicle-to-grid-technology). International Energy Agency (IEA) (https://www.iea.org/reports/vehicle-to-grid-technology) (2026). License: CC BY 4.0. Challenges At the moment, V2G faces two main challenges: * Protocol Fragmentations: The universal communication standard for bidirectional charging, ISO 15118-20, is still inconsistently implemented. Additionally, most V2G offers remain isolated within single countries, due to different grid regulations. * Battery Degradation: EV owners have feared that V2G would destroy their battery’s health. However, smart charging can actually reduce capacity loss, compared to uncontrolled charging. Scaling of V2G relies on the integration of advanced battery management systems featuring predictive degradation models. All in all, with increasing demand for energy and a growing number of EVs on the road, V2G offers an opportunity to stabilize the grid, by adapting to dynamic electricity tariffs. Car owners can generate revenue, while optimizing the battery health. However, the international communication standard still requires global adoption. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com (https://klimaticgroup.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

3. 

   15 Jul 2026

   Inside the Scaling Challenges of Sustainable Last-mile Delivery

   Finmile (https://finmile.co/) is an AI-powered logistics execution platform that serves as an operating system for last-mile delivery, dispatch, and field operations. It provides end-to-end management, including AI-driven route optimization, proof of delivery (ePOD), returns management, and real-time fleet tracking. Finmile has a strong footprint in London, Europe, and the US, helping logistics companies, e-commerce retailers, and delivery service providers (DSPs) cut costs by up to 42%. Connect with Rich Pleeth here (https://www.linkedin.com/in/richpleeth/) on LinkedIn. 00:00 – Why last-mile logistics is one of climate’s biggest hidden challenges01:03 – The Problem: Why Logistics Still Runs on Spreadsheets06:02 – Building Finmile07:01 – Why Even Amazon Struggles with Last-Mile Logistics09:18 – Inside Finmile’s AI Operating System11:27 – What Agentic AI Actually Means for delivery workers13:30 – Selling Cost Savings, Delivering Climate Impact17:52 – Scaling Finmile21:22 – Customer Success Stories24:00 – Partnerships as a Growth Strategy25:33 – What’s Next for Finmile26:26 – The Future of Logistics28:06 – What Finmile is Looking For Efficient Logistics Routing - it’s also an environmental solution When we think of logistics, we usually picture a fleet of delivery vans dropping off packages on our doorsteps. But logistics involves much more than parcel deliveries. One often overlooked aspect of urban mobility is service logistics. Take your local plumber or electrician as an example. We have all experienced the typical 9 am to 1 pm arrival window, leaving us waiting at home for hours. Efficient service routing helps address this issue by providing more accurate estimated times of arrival. Essentially, this is achieved by combining route optimization with parts management. Even before the journey begins, the software ensures that the right parts are loaded onto the right van, preventing double-trips and therefore avoiding unnecessary CO2 emissions. While service logistics create opportunities for improving efficiency, delivery logistics show room for improvement as well. Consumers have become increasingly accustomed to same-day delivery, driven by what is often called the Amazon Effect. (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-21/amazon-effect-gen-z-expect-deliveries/106137160) This shift is forcing more half-empty vans onto the road, which makes efficient routing even more important. From Static to Dynamic Routing According to Locus, (https://locus.sh/blogs/what-is-routing-efficiency/) routing inefficiency increases costs, causes longer delivery times, as well as low route adherence and increases fuel consumption. The European Commission (https://transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-themes/urban-transport/zero-emission-urban-freight-logistics-and-last-mile-delivery_en) also highlights that optimizing urban freight transport and last-mile delivery is instrumental in reducing congestion and emissions. By adjusting to real-time disruptions like traffic congestion and weather delays, as well as last-minute order changes, efficiency can be improved. Achieving this requires a shift from the current static system, where routes are planned the night before, to a more dynamic system which updates routes mid-journey with the help of AI. Route Optimization As explained by AREALCONTROL (https://www.arealcontrol.de/en/news/details/route-optimization-algorithm-explained), route optimization relies on algorithms to improve delivery routes. These algorithms are designed to solve complex routing problems involving multiple vehicles. There are different kinds of algorithms: * Shortest path algorithms solve the problem of finding the best route between two locations. * Vehicle Routing Problem (VRP) solvers address a more complex optimization problem by determining optimal routes for multiple vehicles, while satisfying constraints such as vehicle capacity, driver working hours, and customer delivery time windows. * AI based methods - for situations where demand patterns change quickly, for example, same-day deliveries. The foundation of all optimization methods is high-quality data, including digital maps, GPS tracking, real-time traffic information, operational constraints, and other factors such as weather conditions. Source: World Economic Forum, Intelligent Transport, Greener Future: AI as a Catalyst to Decarbonize Global Logistics (January 2025). Potential Reduction in Emissions through AI According to the World Economic Forum (https://reports.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Intelligent_Transport_Greener_Future_2025.pdf), “the global transportation industry is responsible for up to 25% of all greenhouse gas emissions, with freight logistics accounting for 7-8% of global emissions.” AI offers a significant opportunity to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the freight logistic sector. Enhancing the operational efficiency across road transport, maritime services, the aviation and rail transport, could reduce emissions by 4-7%. Further, improving capacity utilization could reduce global freight emissions by 2-4%. In total, the freight logistics industry could potentially reduce its emissions by 10-15%. The climate impact is clear: efficient logistics reduces greenhouse gas emissions, air pollution, and improves local air quality, especially in traffic-congested areas. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com (https://klimaticgroup.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

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