In the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, host Brendan Lee will be chatting to researchers, teachers and experts about what evidence-informed education is and the nuances involved with actually implementing effective and sustainable school based education.
S04E12 - Paul Kirschner and Nidhi Sachdeva on The Hidden Difference Between Good Teaching and Expert Teaching
In this episode, Brendan Lee is joined by renowned educational psychologist Professor Paul Kirschner and teacher educator Dr Nidhi Sachdeva to discuss their new book, Becoming an Expert Teacher. Together they dismantle the myth that great teaching is an innate talent and explore why simply racking up years in the classroom often leads to a performance plateau rather than true expertise.
Listeners will discover why the teaching profession has a completely inverted practice to performance ratio compared to elite athletes and how to realistically implement genuine deliberate practice during a busy school week. The episode also highlights the critical difference between surface-level brooding and the structured reflection required to build rich mental models.
You will also hear the fascinating backstory behind Paul's famous 2006 paper Why Minimal Guidance During Instruction Does Not Work.
Whether you are a new graduate or an experienced educator, this conversation provides a practical and research-backed roadmap to continuously refine your craft and master the unexpected moments in the classroom.
* Use the code 26AEV2 to receive a 20% discount on Becoming an Expert Teacher
Resources mentioned:
Becoming an Expert Teacher (Book by Paul Kirschner and Nidhi Sachdeva)
Science of Learning (Substack by Nidhi Sachdeva)
How Learning Happens (Book by Paul Kirschner and Carl Hendrick)
10 Steps to Complex Learning (Book by Jeroen van Merriënboer)
"Why Minimal Guidance During Instruction Does Not Work" (2006 Paper by Paul Kirschner, John Sweller, and Richard Clark)
"Should There Be a Three-Strikes Rule Against Pure Discovery Learning?" (2004 Paper by Richard Mayer, referred to as his "three strikes" paper)
How Teaching Happens (Book by Paul Kirschner, Carl Hendrick, and Jim Heal)
Donald Schön's 1982 work on teachers as "reflective practitioners" (A reference to his book The Reflective Practitioner)
Paul Kirschner:
Twitter/X: @P_A_Kirschner
Linkedin: @paulkirschner
Website: kirschnered.nl
Substack: paulkirschner173727.substack.com
Nidhi Sachdeva:
Twitter/X: @nsachdeva
Linkedin: @nidhi-sachdeva-toronto
Substack: scienceoflearning.substack.com
Brendan Lee:
Twitter/X: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Linkedin: @brendan-lee-kft
Website:learnwithlee.net
Substack: knowledgeforteachers.substack.com/
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
19 Sept 2026
S04E12 - Zero Staff Turnover: The "Secret Sauce" of a High-Performing School
How does a large, busy school move from "islands of excellence" to a coherent, low-variance instructional model? In this episode, Brendan Lee sits down with staff from the Junior School of Trinity Anglican College, Albury— Simon Fairall (Deputy Principal - Junior School), Lauren Naldrett (Dean of Studies - Junior School) and Kirby McDonald (Classroom teacher and Practice and Pedagogy lead)—to unpack their multi-year journey into the Science of Learning.
We dive deep into how to manage teacher cognitive load by strategically sharing curriculum planning and resource development. The practical reality of navigating change management, moving from individual teacher flair to system-wide instructional coherence and how applying the instructional hierarchy and deliberate practice routines can fundamentally shift classroom engagement.
This conversation is a masterclass in building a culture where research-grounded practice and a deep sense of professional belonging go hand-in-hand.
Resources mentioned:
Facts on Fire (by Dr Brian Poncy)
La Trobe University
AIS NSW Literacy Project
You can connect with Trinity Anglican College:
Instagram: @trinityanglicancollege/
Facebook: @TrinityAnglicanCollegeAlburyWodonga
Website: https://www.trinityac.nsw.edu.au/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter/X: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Linkedin: @brendan-lee-kft
Website:learnwithlee.net
Substack: knowledgeforteachers.substack.com/
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
22 Aug 2026
S04E11 - Dr. Haili Hughes on How Teachers Really Get Better
In this episode of Knowledge for Teachers, Brendan Lee is joined by Dr Haili Hughes. Haili is an Associate Professor at La Trobe University with over twenty years of experience leading secondary schools in England. They explore the realities of implementing evidence-informed instruction and how school leaders can avoid the lethal mutations that turn sound cognitive science into rigid compliance checklists.
Listeners will discover why the rise of AI actually makes a teacher's deep subject knowledge more critical than ever. Haili also breaks down the stark difference between awkward roleplay and highly effective instructional rehearsal. Finally, she explains why true teacher wellbeing is never about cake in the staffroom, but rather sensible systems and genuine professionalism. This is a must-listen for educators seeking practical and research-grounded strategies to drive real improvement.
Resources mentioned:
Teaching WalkThrus
Tant, Maddox & Phillipsi - The Science of Learning and Generative AI: A Guide for Secondary Teachers
Jamie Clark's one-pager on problems and principles
Direct Instruction videos
Rosenshine's Principles of Instruction
Coaching for Adaptive Expertise (Upcoming book)
Doug Lemov - Teach Like a Champion
Oak National shared resources
Ochre Education shared resources
EEF (Education Endowment Foundation) research on implementation and professional development
AERO (Australian Education Research Organisation) classroom resources
Resources from subject associations (such as the English Association, Historical Association, Royal Society of Physics and Royal Society of Chemistry)
You can connect with Haili:
Substack: @hailihughes
X / Twitter: @HughesHaili
Bluesky: @hugheshaili.bsky.social
LinkedIn: Haili Hughes
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter/X: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Linkedin: @brendan-lee-kft
Website:learnwithlee.net
Substack: knowledgeforteachers.substack.com/
Support the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast:
https://www.patreon.com/KnowledgeforTeachersPodcast
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