Lawyers Who Learn, explores how attorneys’ engagement in lifelong learning fuels their growth. Join us to uncover these journeys and gain insights for your legal career.
Lawyers Who Learn
Claim This Podcastby David Schnurman
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Lawyers Who Learn, explores how attorneys’ engagement in lifelong learning fuels their growth. Join us to uncover these journeys and gain insights for your legal career.
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Recent Episodes
July 30, 2026
#148 How Renaming Her DEI Firm Helped Her Survive the Backlash
When DEI became a political lightning rod, Natalie Holder didn't shut down her business — she renamed it. Quest Diversity Initiatives quietly became Quest Employment Initiatives, a small shift in language that let Holder keep doing the same work for clients suddenly nervous about the label, while the backlash swept through boardrooms around her. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, talks with Natalie Holder about the winding career that led to that decision. Holder traces her path from litigating discrimination claims for the New York City government to shooting scrappy, homemade YouTube videos like "Dinner at the Boss's House," a side project that eventually became her full-time business and led to consent decree and training work with organizations including Fox News, following the Bill O'Reilly harassment scandal, and the NYC Fire Department. She explains why she believes most organizations haven't actually abandoned DEI so much as rebranded it as "culture and belonging," citing data showing roughly 80% of companies remain quietly committed despite the public retreat — and why staying visible, through bar association events and CLE teaching, kept opening doors she never could have predicted. Holder's rebrand is a case study in surviving a hostile climate without abandoning the underlying mission. For attorneys navigating today's charged DEI landscape, her conversation offers a grounded, practical look at how compliance obligations, business strategy, and personal reinvention can move forward together, even as the language around them keeps shifting.
July 27, 2026
#147 From Five Failed Bar Exams to a Thriving Career Teaching Lawyers
Angeli Raven Fitch failed the California bar exam five times before finally passing on her sixth attempt—collapsing on a sidewalk in tears when she saw the results. That resilience now fuels a career spanning criminal defense, AI ethics education, competitive storytelling, and caregiving for her mother with advanced dementia. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, sits down with Angeli to trace the thread running through her many careers—attorney, faculty member, voice actor, children's book author—and finds it comes down to one thing: authentic self-expression. That instinct shows up in her legal work, where as co-founder of the Three Strikes Justice Center she's helped free clients serving life sentences for nonviolent offenses, once putting a vulnerable client on the stand against expert advice and watching the judge visibly soften. It shows up again on stage, where she's won storytelling competitions drawing on an acting background that taught her to live inside a story rather than recite it. Fitch also teaches Lawline courses on AI ethics, warning that lawyers who ignore confidentiality and competence rules are courting real risk. Just as striking is her reflection on caring for her mother, who no longer recognizes her: rather than grieve the parent she lost, Fitch has learned to join her mother's world, finding unexpected joy there. This conversation offers a model for embracing failure as fuel, treating storytelling as a skill, and approaching AI's ethical demands with curiosity rather than fear.
July 23, 2026
#146 The Courtroom Storyteller Who Rewrote the Rules on Public Opinion
Hector Valle spent 11 years trying nearly 150 jury trials as a Dallas, Texas gang unit prosecutor, piecing together complex evidence and reluctant witnesses into stories that jurors could understand and trust. He had no idea those same skills would one day make him one of Texas's leading voices on college athletes' rights and a go-to communications strategist at the crossroads of law, public opinion, and sports. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman sits down with Hector to trace a career that refuses to stay in one lane: from the DA's office to the General Land Office under George P. Bush, from launching his own podcast to teaching strategic communications at Southern Methodist University to testifying before the Texas Legislature on NIL legislation and advising athletes and stakeholders before most attorneys and casual fans knew what NIL stood for. Hector's years prosecuting gangs, where witnesses didn't want to testify and cases had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, became the North Star for his later work helping state agencies communicate and exhibit transparency to the taxpayer during active litigation. While many attorneys respond with "no comment," Hector built a philosophy and methodology around educating and winning in the court of public opinion while achieving favorable results for clients. Now a Lawline faculty member with five-star ratings across more than 2,000 course completions, Hector also challenges attorneys to stop wrapping their identity around their job title, which frees them to pivot their career to other industries and advocacy that can be even more fulfilling. This conversation is essential for any lawyer questioning whether their skills translate beyond their current role, or ready to build a brand that outlasts any single position.
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