Leadermorphosis is a podcast exploring the emerging world of self-managing teams and progressive organisations. Hosted by Lisa Gill, who was named on the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 list, each episode features a guest thought leader or practitioner offering a unique perspective on new and innovative ways of working.
"Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen."
– Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training, a team of consultants and coaches who specialise in transformational leadership training, shifting working climates and supporting organisations to become self-managing.
Ep. 106 Isaac Getz on why the CEO's ego is the biggest obstacle to liberated companies
Isaac Getz is a business philosopher and professor at ESCP Business School, and the co-author, with Brian Carney, of Freedom, Inc., the book that gave us the idea of the liberated company and sparked a movement that included 500 organisations at its peak.
We talk about why a liberated company is a philosophy rather than a blueprint, and what inner work this asks of a leader. We also cover why liberated companies tolerate tries rather than errors, why you uncover your values rather than invent them, and why none of this is laissez-faire.
Resources:
Freedom, Inc. book site
"The rarest commodity is leadership without ego" TEDx talk by Leadership Without Ego book co-author and liberating leader Bob Davids
"Liberating leadership: How the initiative-freeing radical organizational form has been successfully adopted" seminal California Management Review article
"The liberated company theoretical concept: current issues and the intimidating complexity of organizational design" Journal of Organization Design article
Related Leadermorphosis episodes:
Ep. 55 with Frederic Laloux, author of Reinventing Organisations
Ep. 41 with Michael Y. Lee on what the academic world is learning about decentralised organisations
Ep. 12 with Karin Tenelius, co-founder of Tuff
8 Jul 2026
Ep. 105 Michael Bungay Stanier on building the best possible relationship at work
Michael Bungay Stanier returns to Leadermorphosis, and this time we get right into the messy, human heart of work: our relationships. Michael is the author of the bestselling The Coaching Habit and, most recently, How to Work with (Almost) Anyone. He is on a mission to un-weird the soft stuff, to make better working relationships something we build on purpose rather than leave to chance.
We talk about why the quality of your working relationships is so crucial for happiness and success, and about what Michael calls the Best Possible Relationship: one that is safe, vital and repairable. We get into how to upgrade our relationships, including how to have healthy conflict, as well as misunderstandings of psychological safety.
Resources:
Check out the 10th anniversary edition of Michael's book The Coaching Habit
The Change Signal episode with Liane Davey about why we need more conflict, not less
The Enemies Project YouTube channel we mentioned
Related Leadermorphosis podcast episodes:
Ep. 68 - my first conversation with Michael about being more coaching
Ep. 45 with Prof. Amy Edmondson
Ep. 100 with my colleagues from Tuff about pebbles conversations and some of our other practices
12 Jun 2026
Ep. 104 Angela Williamson on the inner and outer development work at self-managing care organisation Chorus
Chorus was born out of the merger of three traditionally structured care organisations in 2017, but today its 1,000 employees work in 20+ self-managing, local teams. Strategic Coach Angela Williamson share this remarkable transformation story and how inner development – and not just structural development – has been key. Chorus began as an experiment asking the question: "What if the people closest to the work were trusted to make most decisions themselves?"
Resources:
Corporate Rebels' blog about Chorus and their organisational model
Chorus website https://chorus.org.au/
Mia Mingus on the Nothing Never Happens podcast talking about reimagining accountability
My blog about the tyranny of the inner boss
Related Leadermorphosis episodes:
Ep. 69 with Jos de Blok, founder of Buurtzorg
Ep. 26 with the nurses at Buurtzorg
Ep. 96 with Xavier Costa about love in self-managing organisations
Ep. 67 with Andy Brogan and Helen Sanderson about Confirmation Practices
Ep. 85 with Bernadette Wesley about Deliberately Developmental Organisations
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