

Leading and Thriving in the Church
Alban at Duke Divinity School
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- 18
- Episodes
- 5
- Ratings
- 2023
- First episode
About Leading and Thriving in the Church
The Rev. Dr. Prince Rivers has served as a pastor for more than 20 years. In each episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with leaders, pastors and authors about how to do church faithfully and effectively — and in a way that is life-giving for all involved. “Leading and Thriving in the Church” is a podcast from Alban at Duke Divinity School. Learn more at alban.org, where you can also sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly newsletter.
- Publisher
- Alban at Duke Divinity School
- Category
- religion & spirituality
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 18 Oct 2023
- Latest episode
- 25 Nov 2024
Latest episodes
18 episodes in the feed.

25 Nov 2024
Cynthia Hale: Faithful Reinvention
In the fifth and final episode of our third season, Prince talks with Cynthia Hale, the founding and senior pastor of Ray of Hope Christian Church in Decatur, Georgia. Discussion topics include: - How Cynthia's leadership has changed over 38 years at Ray of Hope - Cultivating other leaders - Practices to sustain health and wellbeing in ministry - And more! Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org. Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Th...

18 Nov 2024
Gary Simpson: A Pastor's Pastor
In the fourth episode of our third season, Prince talks with Gary Simpson, the senior minister of Concord Baptist Church of Christ in Brooklyn, New York. Discussion topics include: - How preaching differs from other forms of communication - Finding your authentic voice - Can preaching be taught? - And more! Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org. Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or...

11 Nov 2024
Reggie Blount: New Approaches to Christian Formation
In the third episode of our third season, Prince talks with Reggie Blount, who serves as the Murray H. Leiffer Associate Professor of Formation, Leadership and Culture and director of the Center for the Church and the Black Experience at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary. Discussion topics include: - What pastors need to understand about learning and formation - Being innovative in developing curriculum - The seven spiritual yearnings of young people - Technology and Christian educatio...

4 Nov 2024
John Witvliet: What Are We Doing in Worship?
In the second episode of our third season, Prince talks with John Witvliet, director of the Calvin Institute of Christian Worship and Professor of Worship, Theology, and Congregational Ministry Studies at Calvin University and Calvin Theological Seminary. Discussion topics include: - How worship leaders can balance maintaining tradition and being innovative - Creating opportunities for pastors and musicians to learn together - Involving youth in worship - And more! Find show notes and the t...

28 Oct 2024
Peter Cha: The Gift of Immigrant Congregations
In the first episode of our third season, Prince talks with Peter T. Cha, director of the Thriving Immigrant Congregations Initiative (TICI) and professor of practical theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Discussion topics include: - Misconceptions about immigrant congregations - Building healthy intergenerational relationships in the church - Challenging churches to embrace younger generations - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode here. Sign...

7 May 2024
Anna Carter Florence: Living with the Text
In the final episode of our second season, Prince talks with Anna Carter Florence, the Peter Marshall Professor of Preaching at Columbia Theological Seminary (https://www.ctsnet.edu/) in Decatur, Georgia. Discussion topics include: - What theatre and preaching have in common - Why storytelling is central to preaching - Entering scripture “verbs-first” - Practices for growing as a preacher and theologian - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/05/09/anna-carter-florence-living-with-the-text/ (https://alban.org/?p=10552) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

2 May 2024
Otis Moss III: Thriving in Turbulent Times
In this episode, Prince talks with Otis Moss III (https://www.revom3.com/bio), Senior Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois. Discussion topics include: - Adapting to different leadership contexts - Thriving in times of unrest - The importance of love and justice in Christian leadership - How leaders can take care of themselves - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/05/02/otis-moss-iii-thriving-in-turbulent-times/ (https://alban.org/?p=10539) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

25 Apr 2024
David Armijo: Invest in Your People
In this episode, Prince talks with David Armijo (https://hispanicaccess.org/about/our-people/item/1223-david-armijo), Chief of Programs at Hispanic Access Foundation (https://hispanicaccess.org/). As Chief of Programs, David oversees Hispanic Access Foundation’s health, conservation, federal internship (MANO) and special initiatives. Discussion topics include: - Managing conflict on teams - Having courageous conversations with volunteers - Hallmarks of strong teams - Practical strategies for team communication - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/04/25/david-armijo-invest-in-your-people/ (https://alban.org/?p=10531) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

18 Apr 2024
Nicole Martin: Reframing Power
In this episode, Prince talks with Nicole Martin, Chief Impact Officer at Christianity Today (https://www.christianitytoday.com/). She is also the founder and executive director of Soulfire International Ministries (https://www.sfiministries.org/), which accelerates thriving for pastors, churches and younger leaders. Discussion topics include: - The role of emotional intelligence in effective leadership - Defining “leadership” in a Christian context - Surrendering Western notions of power and control - Advice for those seeking mentors - How to maintain energy and enthusiasm - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2024/04/18/nicole-martin-reframing-power/ (https://alban.org/2024/04/18/nicole-martin-reframing-power/) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

11 Apr 2024
David P. King: Reimagining Giving Traditions
In this episode, Prince talks with David P. King (https://philanthropy.indianapolis.iu.edu/people-directory/king-david.html), Karen Lake Buttrey Director of Lake Institute on Faith & Giving (https://lakeinstitute.org/) as well as Associate Professor of Philanthropic Studies within the Indiana University Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. As an American religious historian, his research interests broadly include exploring the practices of 20th- and 21st-century American and global faith communities as well as more specifically investigating how the religious identity of faith-based nonprofits shapes their motivations, rhetoric and practice. In this conversation, Prince and David discuss: - Post-COVID giving trends in congregations - What churches with strong stewardship cultures have in common - Why pastors need to understand money and stewardship - And more! Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at alban.org/2024/04/11/david-p-king-reimagining-giving-traditions/ (https://alban.org/2024/04/11/david-p-king-reimagining-giving-traditions/) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

4 Apr 2024
Tod Bolsinger: Navigating Change
In the first episode of our second season, Prince talks with Tod Bolsinger (https://www.fuller.edu/faculty/tod-bolsinger/), senior congregational strategist and associate professor of leadership formation at Fuller Seminary. He's also the author of several books, including Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory. (https://www.ivpress.com/canoeing-the-mountains) In this episode, Prince and Tod discuss: - Why success is likely to come after sabotage - The problem with "win-win" - Advice for leaders who feel stuck - Practices for leading and living well - And more! You can find show notes and the transcript for this episode at alban.org/2024/04/02/tod-bolsinger-navigating-change/ (http://alban.org/2024/04/02/tod-bolsinger-navigating-change/) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

7 Dec 2023
Thema Bryant: Bridging Theology and Psychology
In the final episode of the first season of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Dr. Thema Bryant (https://drthema.com/), the 2023 president of the American Psychological Association (APA) (https://www.apa.org/): the leading scientific and professional organization representing psychology with more than 120,000 members. In this episode, Prince and Dr. Thema discuss: the intersection of faith and psychology how growth and despair can co-exist vicarious trauma and its effect on clergy emotion-focused coping and problem-solving coping how churches can work to promote authentic healing and more! You can find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2023/12/07/thema-bryant-bridging-theology-and-psychology/ (https://alban.org/?p=10418). Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

30 Nov 2023
Paul Baxley: How Can We Be Faithful Now?
In the fifth episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Paul Baxley (https://cbf.net/baxley), the executive coordinator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (https://cbf.net/). In this episode, Paul and Prince discuss: what faithfulness means in this moment what it looks like for congregations to experience new life what denominations are for the need for support networks for pastors practices to foster effective, fruitful teams the connection between theological reflection and thriving in Christian leadership and more! You can find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2023/11/30/paul-baxley-how-can-we-be-faithful-now/ (https://alban.org/2023/11/30/paul-baxley-how-can-we-be-faithful-now/). Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

16 Nov 2023
Ruth Haley Barton: Listen for the Voice of God
In the fourth episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Ruth Haley Barton, the founding president and CEO of the Transforming Center (https://transformingcenter.org/), whose mission is to strengthen the souls of pastors, spiritual leaders and the congregations and organizations they serve. Learn more about Ruth at her website (https://www.ruthhaleybarton.com/), where you can find links to her books (https://www.ruthhaleybarton.com/books) and podcast (https://www.ruthhaleybarton.com/podcast). In this episode, Ruth and Prince discuss: the question of “how do people change, really?” building up trust in community spiritual practices to help leaders nourish their souls how leaders should use the Enneagram Sabbath as a formative discipline and more! You can find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2023/11/16/ruth-haley-barton-listen-for-the-voice-of-god (https://alban.org/?p=10392) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

9 Nov 2023
Rhonda Brandon: You're a Human First, Then a Minister
In the third episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with Rhonda Brandon, Senior Vice President and Chief Human Resources officer for Duke University Health System. In her role, Brandon oversees efforts to advance a world-class workforce that positions the health system to meet long-term strategic goals. She is a key driver of initiatives to improve performance measurement, professional development and work culture. She offers trusted counsel to senior staff, advocating on behalf of all employees. In this episode, she and Prince discuss: what influences organizational culture marks of a healthy church culture what pastors can learn from the field of human resources and more! You can find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2023/11/09/rhonda-brandon-youre-a-human-first-then-a-minister/ Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

2 Nov 2023
David Emmanuel Goatley: Leading Leaders
In the second episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” Prince talks with David Emmanuel Goatley, president of Fuller Theological Seminary (https://www.fuller.edu/). Dr. Goatley was inaugurated as the sixth president of Fuller Seminary in January 2023. Prior to his appointment, he served in various roles at Duke Divinity School, including as associate dean for academic and vocational formation and director of the Office of Black Church Studies. For nearly four decades he has served in leadership roles in organizations dedicated to justice advocacy, Christian mission and global ecumenism. In today’s episode, he and Prince discuss: characteristics of adaptive, justice-seeking leaders a formula for flourishing as a leader what baseball and utility companies can teach us about leadership transitions how pastors can develop better management muscles setting boundaries and more! Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

26 Oct 2023
Stephen Lewis: Thriving Within Constraints
In the first episode of “Leading and Thriving in the Church,” the Rev. Rivers talks with Stephen Lewis about trends they’re seeing in churches, what thriving ministers have in common, advice for new ministers and more. Stephen is the president of the Forum for Theological Exploration (FTE) (https://fteleaders.org/) and creator and co-founder of DO GOOD X (https://dogoodx.org/), a start-up accelerator for diverse Christian social entrepreneurs. He is an organizational change strategist and a leadership development specialist, focused on inspiring the next generation of faith-inspired leaders and entrepreneurs to live and work on purpose. Stephen is the co-author of “Another Way: Living and Leading Change on Purpose” (2020) and “A Way Out of No Way: An Approach to Christian Innovation” (2021). Find show notes and the transcript for this episode at https://alban.org/2023/10/24/stephen-lewis-thriving-within-constraints/. (https://alban.org/2023/10/24/stephen-lewis-thriving-within-constraints/) Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

18 Oct 2023
Introducing "Leading and Thriving in the Church"
The Rev. Dr. Prince Rivers, editor of the Alban Weekly, has been a pastor for 23 years. He is passionate about supporting the people who lead congregations. But doing ministry in the post-pandemic era has unearthed new leadership challenges – and it has led us to pay more attention to the need for thriving ministers and congregations. That’s where “Leading and Thriving in the Church” comes in. In this new podcast from Alban at Duke Divinity, our mission is to help you be the leader God has called you to be. In each episode, Prince sits down with some of the most innovative people he knows — scholars, executives, authors — and explores what it means to lead faithfully, effectively and sustainably in today’s church. The first installment in this six-episode season will release next Thursday, October 26. In the meantime, be sure to check out the podcast trailer and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We can’t wait for you to listen! Sign up for Prince’s weekly reflections and resources in the Alban Weekly at alban.org (http://alban.org/). Rate, review and subscribe to “Leading and Thriving in the Church” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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