Leading The Change: Embracing Sustainability and the Circular Economy
Hans-Peter Stadler
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- 2023
- First episode
About Leading The Change: Embracing Sustainability and the Circular Economy
Welcome to "Leading the Change," a monthly podcast series where two senior executives dive deep into the world of sustainability and the circular economy, discussing the transformative power of businesses in creating a positive impact. In each episode, our hosts engage in thought-provoking conversations that challenge the status quo, explore innovative ideas, and empower companies to commit to change. Join us as we uncover the necessity of embracing sustainability, the benefits of a circular economy, and the unique role senior executives play in leading the way towards a better, more sustainable future. Don't miss out on these insightful discussions, as we pave the way for businesses to thrive and contribute to a greener, more resilient world. Subscribe now to stay updated and be part of the change! Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
- Publisher
- Hans-Peter Stadler
- Category
- society & culture
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 27 Mar 2023
- Latest episode
- 17 Jan 2025
Latest episodes
19 episodes in the feed.
17 Jan 2025
"Driving Innovation and Trust in the Refurbished Electronics Market with Kilian Kaminski"
In this insightful episode of Leading The Change, we welcome Kilian Kaminski, the inspiring Founder of refurbed, to discuss how innovation, trust, and collaboration are redefining the refurbished electronics market and driving the shift toward a circular economy.From leading Amazon Renewed’s expansion into Europe to founding refurbed in 2017, Kilian has been on a mission to change the way we consume electronics. Today, refurbed operates in 11 European markets, employs over 350 people, and sav...
29 Sept 2024
Is the Fashion Industry Ready to Shift from "Less Harm" to "More Good"?
The fashion industry is on a journey—from reducing harm to actively doing good. How far have we come, and where do we go next? Listen as we dive into the future of sustainable fashion with a panel of visionary leaders who are transforming the industry with innovation and purpose.The Panelists are:✨ Tessa Borrenberghs – Founder of the luxury brand Borrenberghs. Tessa seamlessly blends elegant craftsmanship with circularity, transparency, and local production, driving her mission to reshape fas...
30 Jun 2024
Twice The Impact - How TWICE Commerce is Revolutionising the Circular Economy, with Henry Beniard
In this enlightening episode of Leading The Change, we sit down with Henry Beniard, the Chief Operating Officer of Twice Commerce, to explore how their innovative platform is transforming the e-commerce landscape. Twice Commerce empowers businesses to manage buyback, resale, and renting processes all under their own brand, promoting a more sustainable and circular economy. Join hosts Hans-Peter Stadler and Catherine Schoendorff as they delve into: Henry's Motivation: Discover what inspired Henry to transition into the sustainable space and his journey to joining Twice Commerce. Understanding Twice Commerce: Learn about the unique aspects of Twice Commerce and how it supports the circular economy. Platform Features and Benefits: Uncover the key features that distinguish Twice Commerce from traditional e-commerce solutions, enabling businesses to maximise value through innovative buyback, resale, and renting models. Balancing Success and Sustainability: Hear examples of how businesses have successfully integrated Twice Commerce into their operations and the positive impact on their sustainability goals. Challenges and Solutions: Explore the common challenges businesses face when adopting a circular commerce model and how Twice Commerce helps overcome these obstacles. Consumer Engagement: Gain insights into how businesses can better engage with their customers around sustainability and receive practical advice for leaders considering circular commerce models. Tune in to this episode to learn how Twice Commerce is not just good for business, but even better for the planet. Get ready for a conversation that promises to inspire and inform your journey towards sustainable and innovative business practices. 🌿 Listen now and join us in Leading The Change towards a more sustainable future.🌿 Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
29 May 2024
The Art and Science of Digital and Sustainable Transformation, with Ali Kursun
In this episode we dive into a masterful exploration of blending digital advancement with sustainable practices, featuring the insightful Ali Kursun, Managing Partner at sparkChief & Co. With a rich background spanning two decades across three continents, Ali brings a wealth of experience in strategic transformation and workforce empowerment to the table. We dissect how organisations can seamlessly integrate digital transformation with sustainability objectives, creating a robust platform for innovation that not only drives growth but also fosters a responsible corporate culture. Ali, who has served in significant roles at global firms like Mercer and Corporate Resources Group, shares actionable strategies that leaders can deploy to align their digital and sustainability initiatives effectively. Discussion Highlights: Strategic Integration: How to align digital transformation with sustainability to optimize resources and achieve strategic coherence. Cultural Fostering: Tips for nurturing an innovative and sustainable organisational culture. Impact Measurement: The importance of establishing concrete metrics and regular updates to ensure ongoing improvement and stakeholder engagement. Listeners will come away with a deeper understanding of the critical balance between technological advancement and environmental stewardship, equipped with practical insights for driving meaningful change in their organisations. Tune in to gain expert advice from a seasoned leader on navigating the complexities of digital and sustainable transformation in the modern business landscape. 🌿 Listen now and join us in Leading The Change towards a more sustainable future.🌿 Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
22 Apr 2024
Sustainable Threats, Realistic Outcomes: The New Wave of Fashion with Miguel Ramôa
In this episode we delve into how textiles, an integral part of our daily lives, from clothing to home furnishings, are being reimagined through sustainability. Join us in a transformative journey through the textile industry with Miguel Ramôa, a visionary leader whose expertise has been shaping sustainable innovations for over 25 years. Miguel Ramôa, with his profound background in textile chemistry and lean manufacturing, discusses: The Global Vision: How sustainable practices in textile production can transcend traditional boundaries and touch every aspect of our lives. The Circular Imperative: More than a trend, it's a holistic reimagining of the business ethos. How the circular economy weaves profitability with planetary stewardship. Innovative Techniques: Explore the cutting-edge methods Miguel employs to ensure that textiles are not just made efficiently but are designed to be forces for environmental, social, and economic change. Tech as the Great Unveiler: By dissect supply chains, it's clear that technology is not just a tool but a storyteller, revealing the narratives of efficiency and transparency that will script the future of sustainable logistics. Economic and Environmental Stewardship: Learn how Miguel merges economic viability with environmental stewardship to meet market needs while fostering sustainability. The Collaborative Canvas: Cross-pollination of ideas across sectors isn't just nice to have; it's the lifeblood of innovation. This is the tapestry of change that will bring us forward. This episode unfolds a narrative that redefines the fashion industry and highlights the limitless potential of textiles as pillars of sustainable innovation. Whether you're a professional in the industry or a conscientious consumer, this discussion will offer valuable insights into the sustainable transformation of textiles and how they can impact the world. 🌿 Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.🌿 Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
22 Mar 2024
Pioneering a New Era of Equal Value Distribution and Transparent Value Chains
In this groundbreaking episode of our series, we delve into the revolutionary world of the FairChain Foundation with Toon Leijtens, the CTO behind the movement aimed at redefining fairness and transparency in global commodity chains. Join us as we unpack: The Vision of FairChain: Discover the core mission of the FairChain Foundation and its drive to disrupt traditional profit structures, ensuring that value is fairly distributed across all participants in the supply chain. Radical Transparency Realised: Learn how FairChain implements groundbreaking strategies to maintain transparency in every aspect of its operations, setting a new standard for accountability. Revolutionising Profit Structures: Toon sheds light on how FairChain is transforming the economic landscape of commodity chains, ensuring profits serve wider community benefits. Token Economy & Impact Programs: Explore the innovative token economy developed by FairChain, designed to directly support impact programs and facilitate a transparent, traceable link between consumers and impact. Blockchain for Good: Understand how blockchain technology underpins FairChain's commitment to verifiable transparency and impact, ensuring that every claim is backed by indisputable proof. Strategic Partnerships: Delve into FairChain's collaboration with leading brands and NGOs, a key strategy in amplifying its mission and reaching broader objectives. Sustainability & Local Empowerment: Witness how FairChain champions regenerative agriculture and empowers local communities, proving that ethical practices and profitability can coexist. This episode is not just a conversation; it's a call to action for businesses, consumers, and everyone in between to join the movement towards a more equitable and sustainable future. **Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
22 Mar 2024
Pioneering a New Era of Equal Value Distribution and Transparent Value Chains with Toon Leijtens
In this groundbreaking episode of our series, we delve into the revolutionary world of the FairChain Foundation with Toon Leijtens, the CTO behind the movement aimed at redefining fairness and transparency in global commodity chains. Join us as we unpack: The Vision of FairChain: Discover the core mission of the FairChain Foundation and its drive to disrupt traditional profit structures, ensuring that value is fairly distributed across all participants in the supply chain. Radical Transparency Realised: Learn how FairChain implements groundbreaking strategies to maintain transparency in every aspect of its operations, setting a new standard for accountability. Revolutionising Profit Structures: Toon sheds light on how FairChain is transforming the economic landscape of commodity chains, ensuring profits serve wider community benefits. Token Economy & Impact Programs: Explore the innovative token economy developed by FairChain, designed to directly support impact programs and facilitate a transparent, traceable link between consumers and impact. Blockchain for Good: Understand how blockchain technology underpins FairChain's commitment to verifiable transparency and impact, ensuring that every claim is backed by indisputable proof. Strategic Partnerships: Delve into FairChain's collaboration with leading brands and NGOs, a key strategy in amplifying its mission and reaching broader objectives. Sustainability & Local Empowerment: Witness how FairChain champions regenerative agriculture and empowers local communities, proving that ethical practices and profitability can coexist. This episode is not just a conversation; it's a call to action for businesses, consumers, and everyone in between to join the movement towards a more equitable and sustainable future. **Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
26 Feb 2024
Pioneering Sustainability in the Fashion Industry with Luis Cristino
In episode #12 of "Leading The Change," we're thrilled to bring you a conversation that stitches together the threads of innovation, experience, and passion for a sustainable future in fashion. Join us as we sit down with Luis Cristino, a seasoned executive who's charting a new, greener course for the textile industry. Luis, with his deep roots in textile management and his visionary leadership at OMA, sheds light on the transformative journey from traditional practices to sustainable solutions. Episode #12 is a tapestry of compelling topics: The personal and professional awakening that led Luis to champion eco-friendly initiatives within fashion. Strategies for brands to reversing the trend of declining clothing quality by enhancing the durability and encouraging longer garment use. Insights from Portugal's pioneering textile sector that could inspire the global fashion industry to adopt more sustainable practices. This episode is a must-listen for anyone in the fashion industry, from designers and manufacturers to consumers and activists. Discover the innovative shifts that are redefining the future of fashion and learn how you can be part of a movement that's dressing the world in sustainability. Tune in to Episode #012 of "Leading The Change" and be inspired by Luis Cristino's story of making a tangible impact on our planet through the power of fashion. **Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
6 Feb 2024
Solar Aspirations: Vision for a Brighter, Sustainable World with Sergi Roig Guillamon
In this enlightening episode, Catherine Schoendorff and Hans-Peter Stadler welcome Sergi Roig Guillamon, the visionary co-founder of Staria Technologies, to explore the transformative power of sustainable solar street lighting solutions. Sergi takes us on a journey from the inception of a bold idea to the forefront of innovation in renewable energy, highlighting the path Staria Technologies has carved in reshaping urban landscapes into smarter, sustainable environments. Key Highlights: The Genesis of Staria Technologies: Sergi shares the origins of his journey, from conceptualizing the idea to bringing sustainable solar streetlights to life. Challenges and Triumphs: Discover the hurdles Sergi and his team faced, their triumphs, and the lessons learned in their mission to revolutionize urban lighting. Impact Beyond Illumination: Dive deep into the environmental and social ramifications of Staria Technologies' work, particularly its role in empowering African communities through access to sustainable energy. A Sustainable Future: Sergi's insights on how innovative technology like Staria's can lead to a brighter, more sustainable world for future generations. This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about sustainability, technological innovation, and the role of visionary entrepreneurship in tackling global challenges. Tune in to "Leading The Change #011: Solar Aspirations - Vision for a Brighter, Sustainable World" for an inspiring look at how one company is lighting the path to a sustainable future. **Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
27 Nov 2023
Reshaping Retail: Unveiling Strategies for Circular Commerce with Riikka Olli
In this groundbreaking episode, Catherine Schoendorff and Hans-Peter Stadler venture into the evolving landscape of retail with their guest Riikka Olli, a visionary in technology and e-commerce with a deep commitment to circular business models. Join Hans-Peter Stadler and Catherine Schoendorff as they engage with Riikka in a thought-provoking discussion about reimagining the future of retail. Riikka shares her insights on transforming retail spaces into service hubs, fostering communities focused on connection, experience, and shared sustainable practices, rather than just consumption. In our conversation, we cover topics including: - Riikka's transition from refining online checkout experiences to pioneering in circular commerce. - The innovative approach of Menddie, Riikka's platform, in extending the life of products through care and repair services, thus aligning ethical purpose with business profitability. - How Riikka's workshops and strategic partnerships are shaping the narrative around circular business models and services in retail. This episode is a journey into a world where retail is no longer about the next shiny gadget but about creating sustainable, meaningful experiences and a community-driven approach to commerce. Riikka's expertise offers invaluable lessons for anyone interested in the intersection of technology, e-commerce, and sustainability. Tune in to explore how we can collectively contribute to a more sustainable retail ecosystem and reshape the way we think about commerce and community. **Listen now and join us in leading the change towards a more sustainable future.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
6 Nov 2023
Transforming the Fashion Industry: The Road to Sustainability with Sara Kovic
In this thought-provoking episode, Catherine Schoendorff and Hans-Peter Stadler are joined by Sara Kovic, the visionary founder of okret, to discuss the urgent transformation needed within the fashion industry towards sustainability and circularity. Sara, with her deep-rooted passion for continuous improvement, sheds light on her personal and professional journey to becoming a change-maker in fashion. We delve into Sara's evolution from a fashion enthusiast to a sustainability pioneer, exploring the pivotal moments that steered her towards advocating for circular economy principles. Listeners will get an insider look at the inspiring successes she has orchestrated in steering brands toward a circular future and her strategic approach to industry-wide sustainability. In our conversation, we cover a rich tapestry of topics including: - The critical experiences that catalyzed Sara's commitment to sustainable fashion. - Practical case studies where Sara guided companies to triumph in circular initiatives. - An expert's take on the actionable steps for the fashion industry to anchor in sustainability. - Strategies for engaging consumers and fostering a community around circular fashion. Sara's perspective on mobilizing consumers and the broader industry towards a sustainable ethos is not just enlightening but also a call to action for everyone within the fashion value chain. With her expertise, she articulates a clear vision for the fashion world that not only looks good but also does good for the planet. Tune in to gain invaluable insights and join the conversation on how we can collectively pave the way for a fashion industry that champions economic, social, and environmental sustainability. **Listen, learn, and lead the change with us.** Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
10 Oct 2023
Beyond Doom - Envisioning a World That Thrives with Isaac Akwue
In this compelling episode, Catherine Schoendorff and Hans-Peter Stadler welcome a voice of the future, Isaac Akwue. As a trailblazer in both quantum strategy and international business, Isaac brings a fresh, Gen Z perspective to the sustainability discourse, shedding light on the pivotal role his generation is set to play. Together, the trio embarks on an insightful exploration of: - The multifaceted landscape of sustainability and what it truly means in today's world. - The essence of Gen Z leadership and the unique viewpoints this generation brings to the corporate world. - Isaac's illustrative analogy: with the current generation in the driver's seat, the time will come for Gen Z to take the keys. Preparation and collaboration are vital. Isaac's candid contributions underscore the importance of intergenerational collaboration in addressing pressing global issues. Dive in to discover a fresh perspective on how we can collectively envision and create a world that not only survives but thrives. Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
29 Aug 2023
Shaping The Future Of Sustainable Fashion with Lydia Brearley
In episode 7 of "Leading The Change", we delve into the heart of sustainable fashion with the seasoned Lydia Brearley. With over two decades of global experience as an international fashion buyer, Lydia's journey from bustling fashion capitals to the core of sustainability is nothing short of enlightening. Tune in as Lydia unravels: - Her transformative experience from witnessing the intricacies of fashion production globally to her epiphany in Shanghai, leading her to champion sustainability. - Real-world tales of guiding iconic brands on their quest to embrace the circular economy, highlighting both triumphant milestones and persistent challenges. - An expert's perspective on the urgent steps the fashion industry must undertake to weave sustainability into its fabric. - The genesis and aspirations of the Sustainable Fashion School, Lydia's brainchild aimed at arming the next generation of fashion professionals with tools to infuse circularity into their work. - And lastly, a call to arms for both industry stalwarts and fashion enthusiasts: actionable advice to contribute meaningfully to a greener fashion ecosystem. Lydia's insights underscore the potent blend of passion and expertise she brings to the table. Dive deep into the sustainable threads that fashion the future and discover the role each one of us can play in leading the change. Join us for this engaging discussion that not only underlines the importance of sustainability in the fashion industry but also provides practical advice for those striving to make a difference. Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
28 Jul 2023
Shaping Sustainability in the Built Environment with Ana Quintas
In this thought-provoking episode 6, we are joined by Ana Quintas, an experienced sustainability and circular economy professional and the Lead Built Environment for the EMEA region at the Cradle to Cradle Products Innovation Institute. Our conversation explores the journey of sustainability in the built environment through the lens of Ana's extensive experience and insight. She shares key pivotal moments that have shaped her approach towards advancing sustainable development in the built environment and discusses the unique challenges that come with creating sustainable and circular structures. Importantly, Ana sheds light on the solutions she found to navigate these challenges, showcasing her resilience and innovative thinking. With her current role centered on promoting the adoption of Cradle to Cradle Certified products, Ana provides a unique perspective on their impact on the built environment and the way attitudes and practices have evolved within the community over the years. Her insights offer a glimpse into the progress made and the work still needed to truly embed sustainability in the industry. Wrapping up the conversation, Ana offers invaluable advice to organizations in the built environment sector that are just beginning their journey towards sustainability and a circular economy. Join us for this engaging discussion that not only underlines the importance of sustainability in the built environment but also provides practical advice for those striving to make a difference. Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
5 Jul 2023
Sustainability Unwrapped: Leadership Lessons from Marco Eikelenboom, CEO Sappi Europe
In episode 5 of 'Leading the Change', we delve into a candid conversation with Marco Eikelenboom, CEO of Sappi Europe. Marco offers us a rare glimpse into his personal and professional journey towards sustainability, sharing insights that could reshape your understanding of sustainable leadership. We begin by exploring Sappi Europe's initial steps into the realm of sustainability and how this journey, driven by more than just regulatory requirements, has shaped Marco's leadership style and personal growth. Further, Marco shares his strategies for embedding sustainability into the core of Sappi's strategic vision, ultimately creating systemic value across their entire value chain. How does one transform a corporate giant into a sustainable frontrunner? What advice does Marco have for those embarking on similar paths? We delve deep into these critical questions, seeking actionable insights for our listeners. Lastly, Marco recounts Sappi Europe's ongoing transformation towards sustainability - the triumphs, the challenges, and the lessons learned along the way. Join us for an inspiring episode as we unwrap sustainability, offering unique leadership lessons from one of the industry's most influential figures. Whether you're a business leader, sustainability enthusiast, or simply curious, this episode promises valuable insights for everyone. Contact your host via hpstaconsulting@gmail.com or connect directly on LinkedIn via http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler (http://linkedin.com/in/hpstadler)
4 Jun 2023
The Role of Digital Transformation in Reinventing End-to-End Processes for a Circular Economy
In this pivotal episode 4 of 'Leading The Change,' we delve into the transformative power of digital technology and its potential to reinvent business processes for a circular economy. Co-hosts Hans-Peter and Catherine explore the role digital transformation plays in shifting from linear to circular end-to-end processes and its direct impact on sustainability. Discussions reveal the integral part people and corporate culture play in the success or failure of these initiatives. We also touch on the substantial role of industry templates in facilitating the shift from linear to circular processes, especially when implementing a new ERP system. The episode emphasises that the transformation journey isn't just about adopting new technology - it's also about people, culture, and leveraging tools to create a sustainable, circular future. Episode 4 brings to the forefront the lively engagement of our audience, with insightful questions and enthusiastic comments. Join us as we navigate the exciting digital landscape in our quest to Lead The Change towards a more sustainable future. In our next episodes of Leading The Change, shall we explore: click on the link and vote 🗳️ https://lnkd.in/eyp5ycvY (https://lnkd.in/eyp5ycvY)
1 May 2023
Reversing the Decline in Sustainability Engagement - Mobilizing for Sustainable Change and Solutions
In the third episode of "Leading the Change," we delve into the pressing issue of the decline in sustainability engagement, exploring its underlying causes and discussing how we can become part of the solution. Join our hosts as they navigate this crucial topic, covering: 1️⃣ The factors contributing to the decline in sustainability engagement, and the importance of understanding this trend to drive effective change 2️⃣ Strategies and solutions for mobilizing individuals, organizations, and communities towards sustainability 3️⃣ Inspiring examples of successful sustainable change initiatives Tune in as we dive deep into the reasons behind this reversing trend and share actionable insights for reinvigorating sustainability engagement across various sectors. Learn from real-life examples of successful change initiatives, and discover how you can contribute to reversing this decline and driving sustainable change within your organization and community. Don't miss this essential conversation that will empower you to become an agent of change in the fight for a more sustainable and resilient future.
27 Mar 2023
Leading The Change: Our Journey to Advocacy - Change, Transformation, and Embracing Sustainability and the Circular Economy
In the first episode of "Leading the Change," join our hosts as they delve into their personal journeys towards becoming staunch advocates for sustainability and the circular economy. Discover the pivotal moments, valuable lessons, and transformative experiences that led them to embrace the importance of change in both their professional and personal lives. Tune in to learn about the critical factors that motivated them to actively champion sustainability and the circular economy, as well as the essential tools and insights that can inspire others to follow suit. Don't miss this opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the driving forces behind our hosts' commitment to leading the change and making a positive impact on the world.
27 Mar 2023
The Power of CEO's Buy-In and How to Harness It - Driving Change and Ensuring Success
In episode 2 of "Leading the Change," we tackle the crucial role that CEOs play in driving change within organizations and the importance of securing their buy-in for the success of sustainability and circular economy initiatives. Join our hosts as they share their expertise, revealing insights on how to effectively engage and persuade top-level executives to support your vision for a greener, more sustainable future. Discover the essential strategies and practical tips for winning over CEO support, and learn how to harness their influence to ensure the success of your initiatives. Don't miss this invaluable conversation that will empower you to make a lasting impact within your organisation and beyond.
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