Leading to Learn is a podcast that explores the dynamics of leadership and leadership development within todays complex world. Saul Brown and Andrew Williams are Australian based leadership scholar / practitioners who are focused on the role that leadership plays in social systems and organisational change. They both run private leadership development practices and work together at the Australian Graduate School of Management, University of New South Wales. Join Saul and Andrew as they explore the leadership required to go beyond the known and make progress on the trickiest problems.
Ep. 7 Adaptive Leadership: Radical Ideas or Growing Relevance? with Nick Ellem
Nick Ellem discusses his journey with adaptive leadership, reflects on its impact, and examines the state of the practitioner community in Australia in this interview.
21 Apr 2025
Ep. 6 Reflections on 20 years of Adaptive Leadership in Australia with Rosamund Christie
In this episode Saul and Andrew are joined by Rosamund Christie who is a leader in the area of adaptive leadership development in Australia to reflect on that work over the past 20 years. Rosamund ran the Sydney Leadership Program at Social Leadership Australia for many years, a provocative adaptive leadership development experience that has had lasting impact on participants and their organisations many years later. She leads much of the adaptive work at the Australian Graduate School of Management (UNSW) in her role as Adjunct Associate Professor and brings her own unique blend of challenge and support to her private coaching and consulting work.
11 Mar 2025
Ep.5 Kind Business - David Cooke
In this episode Andrew and Saul talk with Dr. David Cooke about his new book - Kind Business. David shares his experience leading Konica Minolta Australia / New Zealand to amazing results based on a values create value approach. David's work now helps others reimagine corporations and organisations where people and planet are placed at the errata of leadership decisions.
16 Feb 2025
Ep.4 Getting Unstuck - Andrew's Book Launch
In this episode we launch Andrew's new book - Getting Unstuck, How learning bravely is a superpower for personal growth and change. We look at examples where individuals, teams and organisations get stuck and what it takes to move beyond it.
7 Dec 2024
Ep.3 From Start-up to Social Innovation with Greg Muller
Greg Muller, a seasoned leader and social innovator, shares his leadership learnings from start-ups to affordable housing and workplace mental health ventures, empowering listeners to drive meaningful change.
20 Oct 2024
Ep.2 More Connection in Child Protection with Jarrod Wheatley OAM
In this episode Saul and Andrew speak with Jarrod Wheatley OAM about his work in challenging the status quo in the out of home care sector and showing what’s possible when you prioritise connection over protection with children in care.
Jarrod is the founder and CEO of Professional Individualised Care (PIC). Most recently, Jarrod has co-founded the Centre for Relational Care (CRC) to achieve foundational policy, legislative and regulatory changes to the NSW child protection and out of home care system. For this work, Jarrod was named NSW Youth Worker of the Year (2014), NSW Young Australian of the Year (2019) and in 2022, was awarded the Order of Australia Medal.
Further links from episode:
https://www.centreforrelationalcare.org.au/jmi-report (https://www.centreforrelationalcare.org.au/jmi-report)
https://www.linkedin.com/company/99095131/admin/dashboard/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/99095131/admin/dashboard/)
9 Sept 2024
Pilot Episode 1.1
Leading to Learn is a podcast that seeks to understand the dynamics of leadership and leadership development within todays complex world. Saul Brown and Andrew Williams are two Australian based leadership scholars and practitioners who are fascinated in the role that leadership plays in social systems change. They work in their own leadership development practices and jointly at AGSM, University of New South Wales. This is the first pilot episode where Saul and Andrew explore topics, ideas and future guest speakers as they set out to lead to learn.
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