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July 11, 2026
<p>Talking with <strong>Tom Murphy</strong>, professor emeritus of the departments of Physics and Astronomy & Astrophysics at the University of California, San Diego, passionate astronomer, author of the Do the Math blog and the Metastatic Modernity series on mapping the intersections of thermodynamics, ecological limits, and the long arc of civilizational collapse…</p><p>On species-level growth versus the fantasy of the endless economy, on Dyson spheres, on boiling the oceans, on the sixth mass extinction, on solar panels that preserve modernity rather than the planet, on peak oil and fracking, on demographic modeling, on Africa’s food spigot, on John Michael Greer and “collapse now to avoid the rush”, on sealed-glass shrimp, Mars as juvenile fantasy, on Hobbes as mythology, on rivulets down a windshield, on the amoeba’s genius and thirteen thousand genes, on hunter gather lifestyles, carrying loads of the planet, on friction fire, flint knapping, atlatl darts, on written language as the thing academics will never speak against, Tom’s work challenges both the Mars-colonizing techno-optimist and the solar-cheering mainstream environmentalist, arguing instead for falling out of love with modernity: not doom for humanity, or life, ultimately trying to provide quantitative assessment of the challenges associated with long-term human success on a finite planet.</p><p>Excerpts</p><p><strong>Tom Murphy’s Law</strong></p><p> And my version of Murphy’s Law is that it’s not if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. It’s that if something can happen, you shouldn’t be surprised if it does.</p><p><strong>On Authentic Living</strong></p><p>I’m a prisoner, and I don’t feel hypocritical bashing the prison that I’m in.</p><p>I think that’s valid. What I can do is just try to raise awareness that we don’t have to be in a prison, and ultimately we might escape to more authentic ways of living and dispel the mythology around the, fear, this irrational fear about other ways of living that have worked well for humans for countless millennia.</p><p><strong>On The Sixth Mass Extinction</strong></p><p>“Preserving our ability to crank out terawatts of energy is exactly the same as preserving our ability to continue a sixth mass extinction.”</p><p>Aside from his work with Apache Point Observatory Lunar Laser-ranging Operation Project, Tom Murphy is known for his blog “Do The Math” which examines societal issues related to energy production, climate change, and economic growth from an astrophysicist’s perspective</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/)"><strong>Do the Math Blog</strong></a></p><p><strong>Book: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://escholarship.org/uc/energy_ambitions"><strong>Energy and Human Ambitions on a Finite Planet</strong></a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/"><strong>https://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/</strong></a></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Leafbox at <a href="https://leafbox.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">leafbox.substack.com/subscribe</a>

April 28, 2026
<p>Talking with <strong>James Van Lanen</strong>, anthropologist, re-wilding advocate, and author of Human Rewilding in the 21st Century, mapping the intersections of species-level fitness, ecological embeddedness, and the long arc of civilizational collapse…</p><p>On species-level fitness versus civilizational fitness, on Herbert Spencer and the colonial roots of survival of the fittest, on aggrandizing agents and the alpha-hoarding pattern, on the Radical Anthropology Group and the female coalition theory of human speciation, on Pierre Clastres and secondary primitivism, the people who ran back into the jungle, on five hundred years of Amazonian oral history as the most successful anti-civilizational politic in human history, on the Hadza and the smartphone controversy, on his rebuttal to Graeber and Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, on Joseph Tainter and continually diminishing returns, on the gathering that would fall apart at thirty days, on nodal community versus rigid communes, on finding your gifts rather than peddling hope, on daughters and the stone knives,</p><p>Thirteen years traveling by small aircraft to remote Alaskan communities, fieldwork across four continents, Siberia, the Amazon, Africa, and now independent, outside the bureaucracy of both the academy and the state. His work challenges both the right-wing bunker prepper and the techno-progressive urban left, arguing instead for rural dropout-ism: not ideology, but as a true measure of human fitness.</p><p>Excerpts</p><p><strong>On Amazonian Isolated Tribes</strong></p><p>There's some sort of oral history passed down for generations that says: those progressive complex societies — don't go in. They're very dangerous. And they've maintained that politic for at least several hundred years, if not thousands.</p><p><strong>Channeling Derek Jensen</strong></p><p>You are just a puny little human. You cannot change this situation as an individual. But figure out what your gifts are: what's really in your heart, and apply them to bettering the situation even in the smallest way you can.</p><p><strong>On Species Fitness</strong></p><p> And I came to the conclusion that real species level fitness is intimately connected to the natural world without all this technological mediation that's the why I've just never stopped this path because to me on a personal level, pursuing that wildlife provides me this really strong feeling of living optimally.</p><p><strong>Connect with James @</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.jamesvanlanen.com/">https://www.jamesvanlanen.com/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.humanrewilding.earth/">https://www.humanrewilding.earth/</a></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Leafbox at <a href="https://leafbox.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">leafbox.substack.com/subscribe</a>

March 16, 2026
<p>Talking with Michelle Horsley, autistic researcher, artist, and writer of the Aut Naught Aut, mapping the parapolitical architecture of the autism industrial complex… From her personal experiences growing up autistic to her extensive research into the historical and current narratives surrounding autism.</p><p>Her insights challenge mainstream as well as alternative perceptions and reveal layers of political and social complexities. She advocates for a more informed and empathetic understanding of autism that truly centers the voices of those within the community.</p><p>On being five and nearly institutionalized, on cousins who disappeared into care and were never spoken of, on the mercy of small schools and open fields, on learning to speak through rote phrases like operating systems, on meaning blindness, on writing poetry to break the blocks, on internet relay chat in 1992 and the joy of text-only communion, on autistic people discovering each other online for the first time, on the flowering of recognition, on the anti-vax people arriving in autistic spaces and tearing it all down, on being told your identity is a disease, on Scientologists using communication tech as a weapon, on the split between autistic adults and parents of autistic children that became unbridgeable, on Leo Kanner, on childhood schizophrenia, on post-immunization encephalopathy, on Bernard Rimland wearing two hats — hero to the parent community and career naval psychologist directing future technologies, on the 1958 National Defense Education Act and the state’s interest in gifted minors, on gifted and talented programs, on MKUltra, on Kim Peek, on the military search for savants, on Scientology level OT VIII, on Operation Snow White, on RFK Jr., on Generation Rescue, on Bob Wright, on ARPA-H, on the after-party to TED Talks, on Andrew Wakefield’s very small study that said nothing about the MMR, on overstimulation and the mind whiting out, on the map that is always provisional, on following the hacktivists. on the state being hostile to ordinary people, on questioning everything, on c self-expression, on being less autistic than she used to be, on identifying plants intuitively, on tending a vineyard and making wine and losing goats to wolves, on the techno-utopian dystopia not working, on the return to non-technological ways of living, on failure as liberation…</p><p><strong>Excerpts</strong></p><p><strong>On Hyper Associational Autism</strong></p><p> we have hyper associational kind of minds, … so I do make links between things that seem unrelated… I’ve been building this map. And as the map comes together and informs, I can start to make predictions. And if it’s accurate, then I know my map is pretty close to what’s really going on.</p><p><strong>On Autism and Scientologists</strong></p><p>This battle between autistics and Scientologists has been going on for decades.</p><p>Bernard Rimland completely took over the perception of what autism is. On one hand , in the autism parent community, he was Mr. Hero. But on the other side, he was a career naval psychologist, a research psychologist, director of future technologies and recruit enhancement.</p><p>Scientologists don’t just, they’re very careful about who they associate with. So for a Scientologist to be an in-house lawyer at Children’s Health Defense means that organization is affiliated with Scientology strongly.” “It’s not even a cult. It’s more what is it. You could say it’s a cult that’s that’s operationalized in terms of it’s intelligence work.</p><p><strong>On Vaccines and Autism</strong></p><p>Vaccines don’t cause autism, but vaccines are not good. In fact, vaccines probably are injuring children, but the two things got all mixed up together and he’s (<strong>RFK JR)</strong> part of that.</p><p> I just want to really encourage listeners to question, recognize that the Health Freedom movement is full of Scientologists and they’re not your friends. Not everybody who’s communicating with you is telling you the truth, especially, online.</p><p><strong>Aut Naught Aut</strong></p><p><strong>Aspie Quiz</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php">https://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php</a></p><p>Artwork by Michelle Horsley</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Leafbox at <a href="https://leafbox.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">leafbox.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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