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Hi, and welcome to Legal off the Leash, with your hosts, Elizabeth de Stadler and Scott Simmons. Why are we doing this podcast? We want to help create a legal profession filled with successful and happy lawyers. Because we know lawyers are unhappy. And while most firms care about unhappy lawyers who leave, they should be just as worried about the ones who are staying. Presenteeism, or what some people call quiet quitting, costs the global economy about 9% of Global GDP. That is USD8.8 trillion. If the global legal market is USD797 billion, that means lawyers are pissing away [Elizabeth, where’s the calculator!]... ahem, a lot of money. Lawyers are bombarded with information about how to make themselves, their firms and their lives better. At the best of times it is just too earnest, at worst it is bewildering. In Legal Off The Leash we cut through the crap and talk honestly with a vast array of people who are cleverer than us about law, life, laughter and line dancing. We don’t talk about line dancing, but we do talk far too much about Harry Potter. This podcast is about Elizabeth and Scott tearing each other new ***holes and interviewing guests about how to make firms and lawyers better and happier. It is a must-listen for any lawyer who isn’t a malignant narcissist. Actually they’re welcome too.

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June 23, 2026

Legal Off The Leash Episode 23: More Stupid, or Stupider?

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this end-of-season reflection, Scott and Elizabeth take stock of what they’ve learned from a series of thought-provoking conversations and what they believe is shaping the legal profession in 2026. From AI anxiety and techno-stress to lawyer wellbeing, legal education, creativity, and business development, they discuss the challenges facing lawyers today—and why they remain optimistic about what comes next. This is a candid, often funny, and deeply human conversation about change, responsibility, and the future of legal practice. 🔑 Key Themes Techno-stress and the psychological impact of rapid technological change AI literacy, accountability, and the danger of treating AI as infallible Creativity, critical thinking, and using AI as a thinking partner Why lawyer wellbeing requires cultural change, not wellness theatre The growing gap between legal education and the realities of practice Business development as a core professional skill, not an optional extra 💬 Memorable Quotes “It’s not like we don’t have any agency or any control over what happens next.” — Elizabeth “If you are using AI and not taking responsibility for its output as if it were your own, what you are essentially saying is that when you have a very junior lawyer take a first pass at a contract, you don’t bother to check their work either.” — Scott “People say AI kills creativity. But if you use it as a thinking partner, then I think it actually becomes easier to be creative.” — Elizabeth “The cure for burnout isn’t looking after yourself, it’s looking after each other.” — Elizabeth “Wellness is a culture within an organisation. It’s not a list of facilities that are available.” — Elizabeth “You have to understand that you’ve got to be doing it all the time. It doesn’t have to be your job all day long, but what you can do with five minutes and one action every single day can be transformative.” — Scott 📌 Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways Anxiety around AI is often less about technology itself and more about the speed of change and uncertainty about the future. Firms should focus on AI literacy and training rather than expecting technology to solve problems on its own. AI is most valuable when it challenges your thinking and asks better questions, rather than simply generating answers. Accountability remains a human responsibility. AI output still requires judgement, verification, and professional oversight. Wellbeing initiatives only work when supported by a culture where people genuinely look out for one another. Burnout prevention should be an organisational responsibility, not something placed solely on individuals. Legal education needs to evolve faster, with greater focus on business skills, technology, communication, and client relationships. Business development cannot be something lawyers think about only when work slows down. Consistent relationship-building remains one of the most important skills for long-term success. The future is not predetermined. Lawyers, firms, educators, regulators, and clients all have a role in shaping what comes next. This episode is our reflection on the year so far: what we've seen what we've learned, and what we're taking into the rest of the year. So come join us on that journey!

June 9, 2026

Episode 22: Lawyers will live after all? with Lev Loukhton

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth sit down with venture investor and former M&A partner Lev Loukhton to discuss the “AI Trojan Horse” debate making waves in the legal world. Lev offers a calm but direct response to the fear that AI will hollow out the profession put forward by Quentin Solt. Instead of seeing lawyers as victims of technology, he argues that the profession still has choices, and that curiosity, speed, and better client service will matter more than ever. From solo practitioners to global firms, this conversation looks at what lawyers can do right now to stay valuable, relevant, and human in an AI-driven profession. 🔑 Key Themes Why AI should be seen as a tool, not a replacement for lawyers The difference between legal knowledge and legal judgment How smaller firms may move faster than Big Law Why client service and commercial thinking matter more than billable hours The problem with treating efficiency like a flaw in legal practice How lawyers can adapt without losing the human side of the profession 💬 Memorable Quotes “Artificial intelligence is the first layer of technology that is capable of making lawyers more efficient and capable of helping them practice law in the way that law actually is practiced. This technology is going to get us into a different place and the practice of law will be transformed by it.” “law is law is not math. And it's not coding. And there are multiple ways of looking at the same set of facts and interpreting them.” “We are the Harry Houdinis of this world. We are bound in chains, we're put into barrels, we're thrown into a lake and we escape. That's what we are trained to do.” “I am a proponent of agency… None of this is inevitable. We are not entering the world where lawyers are not going to be necessary.” “For the first time in history, lawyers will actually have access not just to their own precedent library in their heads.” 📌 Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways AI will change legal work, but lawyers still play a vital role in judgement, client relationships, and commercial thinking. Smaller firms and solo lawyers may have an advantage because they can move quickly without layers of approval or old systems slowing them down. Lawyers should spend time testing AI tools in real workflows instead of only reading articles or attending talks about AI. The profession has focused too heavily on time and effort instead of outcomes and client experience. Repetitive legal tasks are likely to shrink, which means younger lawyers may need different ways to build judgement and confidence. AI works best when lawyers use it to support thinking, not replace responsibility. Human oversight still matters. As Lev says, it’s not all doom and gloom. AI is transforming law and offering opportunities that never existed before. That’s something to get excited about.

May 26, 2026

Episode 21: Creativity, Wake Up! with Celia Falkenberg & Nina Pearse

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth sit down with Celia Falkenberg and Nina Pearse, co-founders of Creativity Wake Up, to talk about why creative thinking matters more than ever in law. Drawing on backgrounds in architecture, business, consulting and leadership training, Celia and Nina unpack the myths surrounding creativity, why so many professionals stop trusting their own ideas, and how workplaces can create room for curiosity, collaboration and better thinking. The conversation moves from schooling and perfectionism to AI, burnout and the pressure many lawyers feel to always be “the expert in the room”. Along the way, the group discusses why creativity is not limited to artistry, why experimentation matters, and how legal careers could look very different if wellbeing, teamwork and imagination were treated as serious business priorities. Key Themes Why creativity is a thinking skill, not an artistic talent How schooling and workplace culture reduce curiosity over time The connection between collaboration and better problem-solving Why perfectionism and fear hold professionals back AI as a thinking partner rather than a replacement for human judgement Rethinking legal career paths, incentives and wellbeing Memorable Quotes “Creativity is the use of imagination to develop something, to produce something that is both novel and useful.” — Nina Pearse “We are all born creative.” — Celia Falkenberg “You get to hold on to the limitations that you set for yourself.” — Nina Pearse “A single lawyer cannot have all the answers.” — Celia Falkenberg “If what you are doing is not working, don’t do it harder.” — Nina Pearse Insights & Takeaways Creative thinking can be strengthened over time. It is not reserved for a small group of naturally “creative” people. Many lawyers struggle with collaboration because legal workplaces often reward individual performance ahead of shared problem-solving. Curiosity, confidence and experimentation all play a part in stronger thinking and better leadership. AI can support brainstorming and idea generation, but professionals still need strong judgement and independent thinking. Organisations that expect perfection from their people often make it harder for teams to test ideas or suggest change. Career success should include health, relationships and fulfilment — not only titles, hours billed or financial targets. Small changes in communication, teamwork and workplace design can have a major effect on performance and morale. Creative thinking is often hailed as a hallmark of the legal profession, but does how we work and we are incentivised drive creativity out of us? Listen in to find out.

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What is Legal Off the Leash?: Hi, and welcome to Legal off the Leash, with your hosts, Elizabeth de Stadler and Scott Simmons.

Why are we doing this podcast?

We want to help create a legal profession filled with successful and happy lawyers.

Because we know lawyers are unhappy. And while most firms care about unhappy lawyers who leave, they should be just as worried about the ones who are staying. Presenteeism, or what some people call quiet quitting, costs the global economy about 9% of Global GDP. That is USD8.8 trillion. If the global legal market is USD797 billion, that means lawyers are pissing away [Elizabeth, where’s the calculator!]... ahem, a lot of money.

Lawyers are bombarded with information about how to make themselves, their firms and their lives better. At the best of times it is just too earnest, at worst it is bewildering. In Legal Off The Leash we cut through the crap and talk honestly with a vast array of people who are cleverer than us about law, life, laughter and line dancing. We don’t talk about line dancing, but we do talk far too much about Harry Potter.

This podcast is about Elizabeth and Scott tearing each other new ***holes and interviewing guests about how to make firms and lawyers better and happier. It is a must-listen for any lawyer who isn’t a malignant narcissist. Actually they’re welcome too.
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates daily.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 4 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
Does this podcast accept guests?: Yes, this podcast regularly features guests.

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