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About Liminal Conversations
Conversations about the transition from youth to adulthood, hosted by the Liminal Learning founding team. liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)
- Publisher
- Liminal Learning
- Category
- education · society & culture
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 6 Apr 2024
- Latest episode
- 21 May 2026
Latest episodes
18 episodes in the feed.
21 May 2026
Sameera on finding a creative way to live
Kevin and Sameera caught up in Brighton this week. Sameera was a “Pioneer”, part of the first Liminal Learning cohort that started with a Quest in the Algonquin wilderness two years ago. Kevin had just watched her perform a packed one-woman comedy show at the Brighton Fringe (https://www.thereviewshub.com/brighton-fringe-sameera-bowers-what-is-going-on-rotunda-theatre/) — the reason both of them were in town. When Sameera joined the Liminal Learning Quest, she was making detailed lists, fretting over post-graduation paths, and bracing for the wrong choice. After going to a competitive high school, just about to graduate from Economics at Cambridge, life felt linear, and the wrong choice meant "you lose… two years… and you have to start again." In this conversation she walks through what loosened. She talks about a portfolio life — an office job, online tutoring, stand-up, screenwriting — and the surprising way the threads turn out to feed each other rather than compete. The best example: the office job she’s in now came from a stranger in the audience at one of her stand-up sets, who turned out to run a climate-finance lab and opened a contract for her. Her degree didn’t get her that job. Her comedy did. They land on surface area for luck — the idea that if you can stay in touch with what’s alive and follow that, you can create a life wide enough for luck to land on. Sameera describes the moment in Algonquin when she felt her shoulders drop tension she hadn’t known was there, and the slow reframe that followed: life isn’t a linear path with sequential pass/fails, it’s a creative practice. The point isn’t the thing you’re doing. It’s working with possibility, letting one thing lead you to the next, and having faith that worlds are connected in ways you can’t predict or see. Know a curious young person finding their way? We have a few places left in our next cohort, starting in the New Forest, UK, on June 28 (https://liminal-learning.com/upcoming-quests). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
9 May 2026
On navigating the shoulds and possibilities of adulthood
A major task of early adulthood is making sense of the shoulds: understanding the merits and tradeoffs of traditional paths on one’s own terms. It is often gradual and challenging work to find the authentic middle — between what feels like kneejerk rebellion and unconscious drifting along. Last summer, at the Life Itself (https://substack.com/profile/301548251-life-itself) Hub in Bergerac, Kevin hung out with Finn. Finn reflected on his path since finishing uni in the UK, and on questioning the standard next step (a corporate job in London). They spoke about travel as a way of opening the lens, experiencing the many possible ways of living. Know a young person who’s figuring out what next? Our next cohort starts with a Quest in the New Forest, June 28 – July 3 — more info and registrations here (https://liminal-learning.com/upcoming-quests). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
30 Apr 2026
Finn on his path to work that fits
Kevin and Finn caught up in Toronto this week. Finn was a “Pioneer”, one of the first cohort of Liminal Learning which wrapped up in August, 2025. He’s stayed close to the community ever since, hanging out, helping out with events, and returning for the Heist training for the Stargazers cohort. Finn tells a serendipitous story of how he’s landed in work that fits. Out of university, he joined the Liminal Learning Quest with the weight of too much choice and a deep care to pick the right path. He credits the Liminal program with helping him shift posture, to experimentation and holding things in tension, and took an unpaid role at a startup that went nowhere… but along the way, in a Toronto café, he overheard a stranger using the same financial terms he was struggling to learn for a Dragon’s-Den-style pitch. He leaned over and asked a question. That stranger became a mentor. A year and a half later — after a fruitful but not-it detour into event planning — Finn reconnected with the same mentor, who offered him the first hire in a brand-new company. The mentor listed the qualities he was looking for, and Finn felt they were exactly the ones that resonated for him in Liminal’s program and practices: curiosity, agency, comfort with ambiguity, an open posture toward the unknown. The mentor was “looking for an awesome Heister”. The two of them get into fittedness — the rare experience of landing somewhere that meets the whole of you, not just the curated 40%. They talk about how you “can’t hide” on an authentic small team or on a Heist, and the fear and excitement that comes with that. And they land on exploration: the point isn’t the thing you’re doing, it’s doing it with enough courage to let it lead you to asking the next question. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
5 Mar 2026
What do young people need to thrive in a world in flux?
What do young people actually need during the messy, fertile transition to adulthood? Many are finding that the old scripts don’t work. In a world in flux, the urgent need is to cultivate a fruitful relationship with the unknown. Isabela and Kevin discuss what makes young adulthood a unique developmental inflection point, and the developmental and philosophical scaffolding upon which Liminal Learning is designed. They talk about Neither/Nor (https://liminallearning.substack.com/p/neithernor) oscillation practice, exploring virtues, what a "world-readiness" curriculum involves, and how collective containers for experimentation can help young people discover what matters most to them. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
19 Dec 2025
Stargazers check-in: Michael & Riley
Michael and Riley discuss their experiences at Elbow Lake and what they anticipate for their yearlong program with Kevin, in this interview episode.
4 Sept 2025
Post-program check-in with Finn
Host Kevin speaks with Finn, a young person from the Pioneers cohort, about his experience completing the yearlong Liminal Learning program.
15 Apr 2025
Pioneer check-in: Sameera
Sameera is a “Pioneer”, the self-coined name of our first cohort. Kevin recently visited the UK and popped by to check in. Curious about joining the program? Check out the full details here (https://liminal-learning.com/program). We’re planning to announce concrete dates for our next Quest super soon… This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
5 Mar 2025
Pioneers check-in: Drew and Saif
Drew and Saif are part of our first cohort — the self-coined "Pioneers". They chat with Kevin, five months in to Liminal Learning's yearlong “world-readiness” program (https://liminal-learning.com/program). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
17 Jan 2025
Olena + Denise: crafting transformational experiences
Olena and Denise talk about designing experiences that support transformation and invite the magic that emerges in shared presence. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
18 Dec 2024
Catherine + Olena: education and learning
Catherine and Olena talk about forms of education and learning, and the process of figuring out your own thing in the transition from adolescence to adulthood. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
23 Oct 2024
Griffin + Nancy: reflections on a Quest
Kevin talks with Griffin, one of the 11 young people who joined our inaugural Quest in August, 2024, and his mom, Nancy. They reflect on the Quest experience, and what comes next. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
9 Aug 2024
Luke + Catherine: agency and relationality
This episode was recorded just before we hosted our Quest (https://liminal-learning.com/quests) at the Algonquin Provincial Park, Ontario, Canada. The hosting team and our first cohort of 11 Questers — self-coined the Pioneers — are now back from the woods, putting shape to the 12-month program. Till next time! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
21 Jul 2024
Rick + Luke: teaching and transforming
Our Algonquin Quest starts on July 29th. Our first cohort is confirmed, our bags are (just about) packed. Check out liminal-learning.com (https://liminal-learning.com) to find our more about our future Quests and Heists. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
6 Jun 2024
Isabela + Rick: Quests and Heists
Our next Quest is happening Jul 29–Aug 2, 2024, in Ontario, Canada. Join us! (https://liminal-learning.com/quests) This is the third interview in a series of ‘tag-team’ conversations between the members of the Liminal Learning founding team (https://liminal-learning.com/team). We’ll talk about what lights us up about what we’re building for young people. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
24 Apr 2024
Eva + Nacho
Kevin speaks with more students from his Studio LC course, about agency, creativity, and the transition from high school. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
22 Apr 2024
Anqi + Drew
Kevin interviews two students from his program, Studio LC, about creative expression and coming to the end of high school. The first Liminal Learning Quest is happening Jul 29–Aug 2, 2024, in Ontario, Canada. Join us! (https://liminal-learning.com/quests) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
12 Apr 2024
Kevin + Isabela: transitions and togetherness
Kevin and Isabela talk about teaching young people, togetherness, and the opportunity to reclaim the transition from adolescence to adulthood in a soulful, collective way. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
6 Apr 2024
Bryan + Kevin: Neither/Nor and creativity
Liminal Learning Founding team members Bryan and Kevin talk about their respective vocational works — a practical philosophy called Neither/Nor, and Creativity as wisdom practice — and how they might play together in the first Liminal Learning Quest. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit liminallearning.substack.com (https://liminallearning.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
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