Liminal Leadership

About Liminal Leadership

Leadership is uncomfortable, especially when you’re responsible for results but don’t control everything. Leadership Limbo is for developing managers and the leaders who support them. Each week, Josh Hugo and John Clark explore the human tensions leaders face: giving feedback, building accountability, navigating ambiguity, developing people, handling conflict, and leading without easy answers. Through candid conversations, practical frameworks, and thoughtful guests, the show helps you build the self-awareness and influence needed to remain present when leadership gets uncomfortable. If you’re learning to lead people, or responsible for helping managers grow, you’re in the right place. Learn more: John Clark, Best Days Consulting: https://www.bestdaysconsulting.org (https://www.bestdaysconsulting.org) Josh Hugo, PIQ Strategies: https://piqstrategies.com (https://piqstrategies.com)

Publisher

Josh Hugo and John Clark

Category

business · education

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

12 Aug 2025

Latest episode

13 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

37 of 57 episodes have a transcript.

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   13 Oct 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Emotional Triangles: Stop Getting Pulled In and Start Addressing the Real Problem

   In this interview, Josh Hugo and John Clark explain how emotional triangles redirect anxiety, helping leaders identify and address the real problems instead of third parties.

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   6 Oct 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Accountability Without Hypocrisy: Own Your Part and Still Give the Feedback

   Hosts Josh Hugo and John Clark explore how leaders can offer constructive feedback while acknowledging their own imperfections and systemic influences in this interview.

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   29 Sept 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Brooke MacLean | Building a High-Performing Culture Through Courage, Play, and Trust

   Host Josh Hugo and John Clark interview Brooke MacLean, CEO of Marketwake, about building a high-performing culture through courage, play, and trust.

Inside a recent episode

Emotional Triangles: Stop Getting Pulled In and Start Addressing the Real Problem

Published 13 Oct 2026 · Transcript excerpt

[…] But that actually gets us into this bigger concept in leadership around triangles. I mean, emotional triangles, emotional system triangles of when, you know, everything doesn't just exist. You know, it's not just me and Josh's relationship. It's then our relationship and encounter. with others, right, that we're working with, especially in the workplace or in families. So we want to talk about, well, what do you do when you find yourself in these triangles where someone is using a third person or a third party to excuse themselves, to cast most of the blame on, or using you in the triangle to fix their problem with someone else? […]

Who has been a guest on Liminal Leadership

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Brooke MacLean
• Graham Skidmore
• Anne McGhee-Stinson
• Dan Beatty

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Apple Podcasts (US)

4.8 / 5

24 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

6 ratings

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