Live & Lead With Heart

About Live & Lead With Heart

Crime Chats is a casual true crime podcast where we get together and chat about the crimes we can’t stop thinking about. From infamous cases and unsolved mysteries to shocking criminal behavior and courtroom chaos. No scripts, no stiff narration, just casual conversations between real-life best friends. We'll share our honest opinions, theories, and the occasional dark joke every now and then. In each episode, we'll chat about a case that’s been living rent-free in our minds. If you love true crime podcasts, unsolved cases, crime discussion, hearing two friends break down criminal cases in a relatable, conversational way, and you don't mind the occasional colorful language, Crime Chats is for you.

Publisher

Lisa Iacoletti & Hilary Morrow

Category

true crime

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

7 Feb 2020

Latest episode

11 Aug 2026

Latest episodes

1 of 290 episodes have a transcript.

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   11 Aug 2026

   Vincent Li: The Making of a Greyhound Bus Tragedy (Part 1 of a 2-Part Series)

   We begin our Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity (NGRI) month with a 2-part episode covering one of Canada's most infamous cases: Vincent Li, the man responsible for the shocking killing of Tim McLean aboard a Greyhound bus in 2008. In Part 1, after a quick but horrifying look at the crime itself, we rewind to Vincent Li's early life, immigration to Canada, struggles with employment, and the gradual decline of his mental health. We explore the warning signs, the events leading up to that night, and the devastating impact untreated psychosis can have. ⚠️ Content Warning This episode contains discussion of graphic violence, homicide, mental illness, psychosis, and disturbing crime scene details. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 🔎 What We Cover Vincent Li's early life in China Immigration to Canada Li's gradual mental health decline The diagnostic criteria and features listed for Schizophrenia and Schizo-Affective Disorders 💬 Join the Conversation Do you think that Li's cultural upbringing had an affect on how late his Schizophrenia was diagnosed? Share your thoughts in the comments, and let us know your perspective while remembering to keep the discussion respectful for everyone affected by this case. 📚 Sources Associated Press. (2017, February 10). Mentally ill man who beheaded bus passenger is freed from all supervision. The Guardian. Brink, J. (2014, March 26). Submission to the Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs: Re: Bill C-14, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the National Defence Act (mental disorder). Canadian Psychiatric Association. British Columbia Review Board. (n.d.). British Columbia Review Board rules and procedures governing the Review Board process. Criminal Code, R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46. Lacroix, R., O’Shaughnessy, R., McNiel, D. E., & Binder, R. L. (2017). Controversies concerning the Canadian Not Criminally Responsible Reform Act. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, 45(1), 44-51. Latimer, J., & Lawrence, A. (2006, January). The Review Board systems in Canada: An overview of results from the Mentally Disordered Accused Data Collection Study. Research and Statistics Division, Department of Justice Canada. Manitoba Review Board. (2010, June 11). In the matter of: Part XX.1 Criminal Code of Canada and in the matter of: Vince Weiguang Li. Murderpedia. Not Criminally Responsible Reform Act, S.C. 2014, c. 6. Ontario Review Board. (2025). 2024-25 Annual report. Pedneault, C. I., Perley-Robertson, B., Mularczyk, K. P., & Prevost, H. (2023, January 16). Approaches to addressing serious mental illness in the Canadian criminal justice system. Public Safety Canada. Public Legal Education and Information Service of New Brunswick. (2024, May 3). Victims of crime: Not criminally responsible accused. Serena, K. (2025, April 20). The horrific crimes of Vince Li, the man who killed and cannibalized Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008. All That's Interesting. the fifth estate. (2011, September 16). Bus 1170: Vince Li and the Greyhound bus murder [Video]. YouTube. 26: -26:57. ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Check out our merch on Amazon! Like, follow, subscribe, share! Leave us a review on Apple! buymeacoffee.com/crimechats (http://buymeacoffee.com/crimechats)

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   4 Aug 2026

   Mark Twitchell: The Dexter Killer

   In October 2008, aspiring filmmaker Mark Twitchell lured a stranger into a garage using a fake online dating profile. What happened next was far more disturbing than anyone expected. Inspired by his obsession with movies, storytelling, and the TV show, Dexter, Twitchell attempted to create his own real-life “crime story.” Investigators quickly uncovered that his carefully planned fantasy had become a horrifying reality. ⚠️ Listener Discretion: This episode contains discussions of murder, violence, and disturbing crime scene details. 🔎 What We Cover Johnny Altinger's background and how he met "Jen" Johnny's disappearance and the investigation that followed Mark Twitchell's police interviews, interrogations, and the evidence found Twitchell's arrest and time behind bars The first-degree murder trial The letters sent back and forth between Twitchell and the reporter writing a book about him The problems with the Canadian prison system 💬 Crime Chats Discussion Do you think violent offenders should be free to lead full social lives while behind bars for their horrific acts? Is the Canadian prison system too lenient? Let us know your thoughts. 📚 Sources Amato, A. (2026, March 18). Family contact already met, victim's family trauma reasoning in Twitchell leave denial. CTV News Edmonton. https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/family-contact-already-met-victims-family-trauma-reasoning-in-twitchell-leave-denial/ (https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/family-contact-already-met-victims-family-trauma-reasoning-in-twitchell-leave-denial/) Bennett, D. (2011, April 12). Accused killer Twitchell played with victim's skull: court document. Global News. https://globalnews.ca/news/114056/accused-killer-twitchell-played-with-victims-skull-court-document/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/114056/accused-killer-twitchell-played-with-victims-skull-court-document/) CBS News. (2024, August 14). "The Dexter Killer:" Inside the mind of a murderer. https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mark-twitchell-the-dexter-killer-evidence-photos/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mark-twitchell-the-dexter-killer-evidence-photos/) Cinematic Psychopathy: A Forensic and Criminological Analysis of the Mark Twitchell Case. (n.d.). [Forensic Analysis Report]. Venditti, A. (2024, August 18). Inside the mind of Mark Twitchell, "The Dexter Killer". CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-twitchell-the-dexter-killer-48-hours/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-twitchell-the-dexter-killer-48-hours/) Wikipedia contributors. (2026, July 10). Mark Twitchell. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twitchell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twitchell) ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interesting Buy our merch on Amazon! Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s next buymeacoffee.com/crimechats (http://buymeacoffee.com/crimechats) Check out our newsletter! (https://crimechatsfiles.beehiiv.com/)

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   28 Jul 2026

   American Nightmare: The Denise Huskins & Aaron Quinn Case

   In March 2015, Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn became the victims of a terrifying home invasion and kidnapping that would capture national attention. But not for the reasons it should have. After Denise disappeared from Aaron’s home, the investigation quickly took a shocking turn. Instead of being treated as victims, Denise and Aaron found themselves under intense scrutiny as authorities accused them of fabricating the entire story. The story of Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn is one of survival, resilience, enduring love, and the importance of listening to victims. 🔎 What We Cover: The details of the home invasion and kidnapping The immediate tunnel vision from police that led to Aaron Quinn being named the prime suspect Details of Denise's horrifying ordeal at the hands of her captor The detective work that finally brought the truth to light The arrest and confession of Matthew Muller How Denise and Aaron rebuilt their lives and turned their experience into a mission to help others 📚 Sources Buckley, J. P. (2025, February 13). “American Nightmare” survivors Denise Huskins, Aaron Quinn use their trauma to help retrain law enforcement. John E. Reid and Associates, Inc. Cleal-Bramley, E. (2024, January 26). What Netflix doesn't tell you in the American Nightmare documentary. The Tab. Criminally Obsessed. (n.d.). Netflix's 'American Nightmare': The couple police accused of faking a kidnapping [Video]. YouTube. End Violence Against Women International. (2026, February 5.). Evawi. Misty Carausu. https://evawintl.org/creating-change/misty-carausu/ (https://evawintl.org/creating-change/misty-carausu/) Accessed 18 July 2026. Huskins v. City of Vallejo, No. 2:16-cv-00603-TLN-EFB (E.D. Cal. July 5, 2017). KPIX | CBS NEWS BAY AREA. (n.d.). "American Nightmare" victims Denise Huskins, Aaron Quinn use their experience to retrain law enforce [Video]. YouTube. Musixmatch Podcasts. (n.d.). 48 Hours transcript - criminal. https://www.musixmatch.com/ (https://www.musixmatch.com/) Savchuk, K. (2022, April). A crime beyond belief. The Atavist Magazine, (126). https://magazine.atavist.com/2022/a-crime-beyond-belief-vallejo-kidnapping-gone-girl-hoax (https://magazine.atavist.com/2022/a-crime-beyond-belief-vallejo-kidnapping-gone-girl-hoax). Accessed 18 July 2026. Smith, T. (n.d.). California attack survivors, who were not believed by police, get the last word against kidnapper. CBS News. Wave Pod. (2025, September 2). True Crime Vault: Taken - 20/20 [Podcast notes]. https://pod.wave.co/podcast/2020/true-crime-vault-taken-aafa66c0 (https://pod.wave.co/podcast/2020/true-crime-vault-taken-aafa66c0) YouTube. “Denise Huskins & Aaron Quinn: Police Called Their Kidnapping a ‘Gone Girl’ Hoax —The Truth Is Darker - YouTube.” Www.Youtube.Com (http://Www.Youtube.Com), 15 June 2026, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tita9_fdijm&t=1453s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tita9_fdijm&t=1453s). Accessed 21 July 2026. Criminally Obsessed Channel ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Buy our merch on Amazon! buymeacoffee.com/crimechats (http://buymeacoffee.com/crimechats)

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EP 81-Fast Tracking Transformation through Cognomovment Therapy with Liz Larson

Published 24 Jun 2021 · Transcript excerpt

[…] So, you asked, this is a long way around, how do we delete it? Yeah. So, in cognitive movement, we have, we're going in through the body, like I said before. So, we're having the person focus on the thing that is the problem. Now, consciously, they're not going to know it's from when they were two, but they might just say, I don't know why. I just don't make friends well. I don't know why. You know, I just can't find a love partner or relationship. Okay. How does that feel in your body? I have a pit, I have a pit, my gut every time I think about it, or I start to have anxiety when I meet somebody. […]

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