LO AND ORDER

About LO AND ORDER

LO AND ORDER dives into the critical issues impacting law enforcement professionals and the communities they protect. Hosted by Lolita Harper, we provide insightful discussions on topics that matter most to our public safety members, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and triumphs of those who serve.

Publisher

sebasbcounty

Category

business · government · news

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

17 Jun 2019

Latest episode

1 May 2026

Latest episodes

46 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   1 May 2026

   Episode 46 | Serving with Strength: Leadership, Wellness & Purpose with Alisha Rosa

   SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with SEBA President and San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Detective Alisha Rosa, a leader defined by compassion, strength, and an unwavering commitment to the people behind the badge. From her early days as a custody specialist to patrol, promotion, and ultimately stepping into the role of SEBA President, Rosa shares a career built on experience at every level of the department. She opens up about the responsibility of leading through change, the importance of staying member-centric, and what it truly means to advocate for those doing the job day in and day out . This conversation goes beyond leadership. It’s about balance. Rosa dives into the critical role of physical and mental wellness in law enforcement, the toll the job can take, and why creating space for real conversations, accountability, and support is no longer optional. It’s essential. From fighting for members at the state level to building stronger connections within the ranks, Rosa brings a clear message: leadership isn’t about position, it’s about service. Full episode available on Apple Podcasts & Spotify Watch the full video on YouTube: @sebasbcounty Episode Highlights 00:00 – Three Words That Define LeadershipAdventurous, strong, and compassionate, Alisha Rosa shares the traits that shape her leadership style. 04:30 – From Custody to CommandHer journey through the department and the experiences that built her perspective. 10:15 – Why She Got Involved with SEBAA personal experience that drove her passion for representation and protecting others. 18:40 – Stepping Into the PresidencyLeadership, succession, and carrying forward a legacy while forging her own path. 25:20 – What “Wellness” Really MeansBreaking down physical fitness, mental health, and why both are critical to survival on and off the job. 33:10 – The Mental Toll of the JobCompassion fatigue, personal struggles, and the importance of having the right outlets. 41:50 – Creating a Culture of SupportWhy checking in on your partners matters more than ever and how small actions can save lives. 49:30 – Member-Centric LeadershipWhat it means to truly represent the people behind the badge and why that’s her top priority. 57:00 – Fighting for Law EnforcementNavigating legislation like AB 1383, politics, and advocating for policies that actually support public safety. 01:05:40 – Strength and SoftnessHow being both strong and compassionate makes better deputies and better leaders. 01:13:20 – The Power of RelationshipsWhy connection, trust, and communication are the foundation of a strong department. 01:21:00 – Pride in the ProfessionRosa reflects on what makes San Bernardino County unique and why she’s proud to represent it.

2. 

   3 Mar 2026

   Episode 45 | The Pivot: Identity, Leadership & Life Beyond the Badge with James Snow

   SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with retired San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant James Snow—woodworker, mentor, and author of The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes. After a 28½-year career spanning patrol, narcotics, SWAT, traffic, and academy leadership, Snow reflects on what happens when the mission changes and who you are when the badge comes off. From burnout and over-identification with the job to leadership, culture, and accountability, Snow speaks candidly about the warning signs officers often ignore. He shares how trauma accumulates over time, why excellence without balance can cost you your family, and how failing to build a life outside the profession can leave you lost after retirement. More than a retirement conversation, this episode is about identity. It’s about taking care of your people, setting boundaries, asking for help when you need it, and remembering that what you do is not who you are. To learn more about James Snow, visit: https://snow-woodworks.com/ Click here to learn more about The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes. ----more---- Episode Highlights 00:00 – What Is “The Pivot”?James explains how a conversation with his daughter sparked the concept behind his book—and what it means to shift direction when the mission changes. 06:30 – A Career That Defined HimFrom patrol to SWAT to academy leadership, Snow reflects on the weight and pride of a full career in law enforcement. 12:40 – When the Job Becomes Your IdentityThe dangers of over-identifying with the badge—and the red flags that signal burnout. 20:15 – Excellence vs. BalanceWhy being the first in and last out isn’t always a badge of honor—and how true excellence requires boundaries. 28:50 – “Be Your Brother’s Keeper”Peer accountability, calling out red flags, and why leadership isn’t just about rank. 36:30 – Culture, Trust & Speaking LastHow leaders can build trust by listening first—and why culture is shaped in small daily decisions. 44:10 – Trauma Doesn’t Just DisappearThe cumulative weight of the job and the unhealthy coping mechanisms officers often normalize. 52:45 – The Night Everything Caught UpJames opens up about hitting a breaking point—and the courage it took to ask for help. 01:00:20 – Healthy Coping & Creative OutletsWoodworking, music, and why having something outside the job isn’t optional—it’s survival. 01:08:40 – Family Pays a PriceThe hidden toll the profession takes at home—and the importance of intentional repair. 01:16:15 – Asking for Help Isn’t WeaknessWhy strength sometimes looks like vulnerability—and how culture must evolve. 01:23:00 – What Will Your Legacy Be?Snow leaves listeners with a final challenge: When the badge is gone, who are you?

3. 

   28 Jan 2026

   Episode 44 | One Percent Better: Human Performance in Law Enforcement with Nick Tavoukjian

   SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with Nick Tavoukjian, a human performance specialist and current Athletic Trainer embedded at Santa Ana PD through O2X. With decades of experience in injury prevention and performance optimization, Nick breaks down what it really takes to keep law enforcement officers healthy, mobile, and mission-ready. From pre-academy recruits to 20-year veterans, Nick shares how small, individualized changes—backed by science—can drastically improve career longevity and wellness outcomes. He offers real-world insights into injury patterns, the tactical demands of duty belts and patrol cars, and the gap between rehab and real-world readiness. More than just stretches and sets, this episode is about building a culture of proactive care—one rep, one shift, and one percent better at a time. Full episode available on Apple Podcasts & SpotifyWatch the full video on YouTube: @sebasbcounty To learn more about O2X, visit: https://www.o2x.com ----more---- Episode Highlights 00:00 – From Wounded Warriors to Santa Ana PDNick introduces his background working with Marines and his current role supporting sworn and civilian law enforcement professionals. 05:45 – Most Common InjuriesLow back pain, hip stiffness, and chronic overuse—Nick explains the root causes and how tactical gear impacts movement and health. 11:30 – Not Just for SwornWhy non-sworn personnel benefit from the same injury prevention and performance support—and how it reduces long-term workers' comp claims. 15:50 – Performance Starts With MovementHow joint mobility, strength, and posture contribute to pain—and how even a few targeted adjustments can prevent injury. 22:00 – Proactive Culture ChangeNick’s work with pre-academy recruits introduces strength and conditioning before they even hit the academy floor. 28:40 – Reconditioning After InjuryWhat happens after rehab? Nick fills the critical gap between being cleared and being truly ready for duty. 35:10 – The Lifecycle of a DeputyFrom academy to retirement, Nick shares how needs shift at each phase—and what older personnel can do now to protect their future. 41:50 – Tactical Wellness vs. Traditional WellnessWhy public safety requires a different approach to fitness, mental resilience, and recovery—and how embedded professionals are changing the game. 48:30 – Addressing Trust and PrivacyHow Nick builds relationships with officers, earns trust, and creates space for vulnerability without fear of repercussions. 54:00 – Fitness, Fads, and FoundationsNick discusses the value of programming, goal setting, and finding balance between mobility, strength, and performance. 01:00:40 – Rebuilding Culture from the Ground UpFrom hydration and sleep to mental readiness and burnout—why performance is more than just reps in the gym. 01:07:20 – One Percent Better, Every DayNick closes with simple, actionable advice: don’t wait for injury. Start small, reach out, and build toward longevity—on duty and off.

Who has been a guest on LO AND ORDER

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Michael Schwartz
• Chad Bianco
• Darren Goodman
• Jason Anderson
• Valerie Vaca

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Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

1 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 41 / 100

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Quality

43

Social presence

94

YouTube

0

Engagement

50

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