M2: Managing Managers

About M2: Managing Managers

Managing managers is MUCH harder than just managing a team -- it's not just you figuring out what works for you. You have to help others figure out what works for them. Thus, to be effective, you must understand leadership at a 10x level. M2 is produced by the Transformative Leadership Lab: txl-lab.com.

Publisher

Thomas Cox

Category

business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

19 Jun 2023

Latest episode

25 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

12 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   25 Sept 2026

   M2 Ep 011 - Inbox Dumpster Fire

   If your team keeps filling your inbox with questions, updates, and requests for decisions, the problem may start before anyone writes an email. Jim worked with an executive who was spending much of her day responding to her team. She wanted to be available and helpful, but her own work kept getting pushed aside. When they reviewed her inbox together, they found capable people asking for things they needed to move forward: a decision, a priority, more context, or help with a blocker. In this episode, Jim and Thomas discuss the practice they put in place and why the executive reported a 40% reduction in internal email afterward. In this episode: Why being highly responsive can generate even more email What to look for when you review the messages your team sends you Two rules that make weekly one-on-ones a dependable place to get clarity How giving direct reports the first part of the agenda builds ownership Why clearer decision rights can reduce unnecessary questions and updates Try this: Look at the emails you’ve sent over the past few days. How many answered a question that could have been handled in a weekly conversation? How many involved a decision someone else could make if they knew they had the authority? Chapters 00:00 — The inbox problem 03:53 — What the team’s emails had in common 06:41 — Where the requests were coming from 07:33 — The weekly one-on-one practice 11:41 — Why a dependable meeting time matters 14:30 — Why the direct report leads the agenda 19:34 — What Jim would change about his own one-on-ones as CEO 22:01 — Clarifying who makes which decisions 27:34 — A three-week experiment

2. 

   24 Aug 2026

   M2 Ep 010 - Creating Accountability

   You manage managers. Almost nothing you're accountable for gets done by your own hands -- it gets done because you asked someone, and they agreed. And yet the meeting ends with everyone nodding, and a week later the work hasn't moved. It's as if the meeting never happened. In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, Thomas Cox and Jim Prinzing name that pattern -- meeting amnesia -- and then show you the structure hiding underneath it. The manager who says yes and doesn't deliver looks like they have a character problem. The team that agrees in the room and stalls outside it looks like a culture problem. Both are the same structural failure, and it starts upstream from when you noticed it. What you'll get: The four phases of the Accountability Protocol -- Initiate, Negotiate, Perform, Accept -- and how to tell which one broke Where the damage gets done: you catch accountability problems at delivery, but we say more than 70% of those problems were created in the first two phases The weak Yes -- why "sure, I'll take care of it" from a direct report can be a red flag, and what to ask instead Effort promises vs. outcome promises -- why demanding a deadline for a problem nobody has solved yet sets everyone up to fail Performance isn't finished until it's reported -- the handoff gap that burns days of your team's time before anyone notices If you want fewer surprises at the deadline, less rework, and direct reports who renegotiate proactively (instead of apologizing after they fail), this episode gives you a four-part structure you can teach your team -- and use yourself -- immediately.

3. 

   19 Feb 2026

   M2 Ep 009 - Outcome Thinking

   You manage managers. That means more than half your business lives or dies on the quality of frontline supervision. And yet teams still spend enormous energy solving problems without ever confirming the outcome they’re solving for. In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, Jim and Thomas tackle one of the most common and expensive leadership blind spots: losing the “why” while obsessing over the “how.” Strong executors rise into leadership because they get things done. But that same wiring can pull teams deep into tactics, details, and forward motion—without shared clarity about what must be true at the end. What you’ll get: How to recognize when your team is optimizing activity instead of outcomes The friction signal: Why hidden misalignment shows up as subtle conflict and rework The Outcome Question: “What do we want to be true?” and why it changes everything Visceral clarity vs. intellectual clarity — and why metrics alone aren’t enough A simple way to surface alignment in any meeting without creating status tension If you want faster decisions, less rework, and teams that move in the same direction instead of talking past each other, this episode gives you a practical clarity tool you can use immediately.

4. 

   13 Jan 2026

   M2 Ep 008 - The Operating Envelope

   Scale your team’s speed and ownership without losing control. You want a team that spots problems, fixes them, and innovates without waiting for your permission. But how do you give that kind of autonomy without inviting chaos? In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, Jim and Thomas break down the "Operating Envelope"—the structural secret to building teams that run fast, own their work, and need less supervision. What you’ll get: The "Operating Envelope" Framework: How to define clear, firm boundaries (budget, safety, brand) so your team has total freedom to sprint inside them. The "Context over Control" Shift: Why giving your team more information (even financial realities) creates better decisions than giving them orders ever could. The Google "Error Budget": How to mathematically calculate how much failure is acceptable, so your team stops playing it safe and starts playing to win. The Hero Trap: Why "saving the day" when things go wrong actually destroys ownership and trains your staff to be helpless. Engineering Pride: How to use the envelope to trigger the deep psychological pride that drives "first-time quality" and high retention. Case Studies in Speed: Lessons from Google, Toyota’s production line, and Dutch nursing teams on how high-autonomy structures outperform hierarchies. If you are tired of being the bottleneck and want to build your team into a self-correcting, high-performance machine, this episode gives you the blueprint to step back so they can step up.

5. 

   9 Jan 2026

   M2 Ep 007 - Caring Means Challenging

   High-performing teams operate in a zone of "safe discomfort." In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, Jim and Thomas dismantle the false choice between being a supportive "servant leader" and a demanding driver of results. We break down the science and give you the scripts for upholding high standards without destroying morale. What you’ll get: The "Nice Guy" Trap: Why Jim’s early attempt to protect his team’s feelings actually capped their potential—and how to avoid the "performance ceiling" caused by high loyalty/low accountability. The Relating vs. Requiring Matrix: Why these aren’t opposites on a continuum. Learn how to move from the "Country Club" or "Sweatshop" quadrants into the "Best Boss" zone by both Relating and Requiring simultaneously. The "Micro-Hack" for Tough Feedback: A specific, 20-second opening script that lowers defenses and proves you care before you deliver hard news. The "Early and Often" Protocol: How to use tiny course corrections to prevent the dreaded "heavy conversation" conversation later on. Stress Titration: How to dial pressure up (or down) to keep different personality types in their specific Zone of Optimal Performance (Eustress). Permission to Push: Why your high performers actually want you to challenge them, and why "rescuing" them is a sign of distrust. If you manage managers who are reluctant to give honest feedback, this episode provides the mental models and language to help you show them how lead with backbone and heart.

6. 

   18 Dec 2025

   M2 Ep 006 - Engaging Staff via Excellence

   Staff engagement rises when people can do work they’re proud of, and when “excellent” stops being vague.In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, Jim and Thomas share a lightweight, reusable 12-week cadence that helps frontline managers engage staff by co-creating a shared definition of excellent work, removing obstacles, and running small experiments.What you’ll get:* A simple frame: think puzzle, not poker. Sit on the same side of the table and solve the work together.* The flow (5–15 minutes a week): define excellence → name roadblocks → ask customers/stakeholders → draft an excellence statement → run tiny experiments → review/adjust → assign process owners → lock in wins and repeat.* Why psychological safety matters here, and how “helping” gets toxic when leaders weaponize the inputs.* How to use low-hanging fixes to build trust fast (and prove you listened).* How to run experiments without chaos: a short experiment log, clear predictions, and learning as the goal.* A warning sign many leaders miss: if the basics require heroism, your system is broken.If you manage managers, this is a practical way to teach them how to engage teams without turning “performance” into a whipping session.

7. 

   17 Dec 2025

   M2 Ep 005 - Executive Burnout

   Executive burnout often looks like success from the outside and feels like a trap on the inside. You’re winning. You’re needed. You’re the clutch player. Then one day you realize you built a “prison” made of dependencies, expectations, and a superhero identity you can’t sustain.In this episode of M2: Managing Managers, we unpack what executive burnout is, how to spot it, and what actually helps you climb back out.What we cover:* The signs: overwhelm, “stuck in the gears,” numbness, and the point where your normal resets stop working.* Why it’s different at the executive level: the “work harder → get promoted → work harder” loop, plus identity fused to the role.* The first move out: create blue sky—real calm and clarity—before you try to “fix leadership” or take on more change.* A fast diagnostic: saboteurs (how your strengths get used against you under stress).* High-leverage tools: elevate/delegate, stop–start–continue, time blocking, and clarifying decision rights so your inbox and your team stop dragging you back into the weeds.* The longer-term solution: redesign the role around the value the organization needs now—explicit accountabilities, clear success definitions, and a sustainable operating model.If you think you might be there, you don’t have to stay there. You can learn a better way to lead at a high level and still keep your humanity and your life. For details on Jim’s confidential Executive Leadership Blue Sky session, visit txl-lab.com.

8. 

   17 Dec 2025

   M2 Ep 004 - How to Build Trust

   As a manager of managers, you need to do more than build trust. You need to understand HOW trust gets built at every level, so you can ensure your subordinate managers are well-trusted by their directs.In this episode, we break trust into three pieces you can actually manage:* Competence: People trust you more when they see you can reliably deliver in the domain that matters to them.* Benevolence: People trust you more when they experience you as genuinely on their side—when your “caring” shows up as transparency, generosity, and vulnerability.* Integrity: People trust you more when your promises are clear and your follow-through is consistent. Small promises kept beat big promises made.We also tell you what fails: paint-by-numbers trust tactics, forced scripts, and one-on-ones that become a ritual instead of a relationship.We close with a practical repair move you can teach your managers: humbly ask for one thing you could do better, then change it quickly and visibly enough that people can feel it.

9. 

   7 Oct 2025

   M2 Episode 003 - 10x Harder?

   How do you succeed when you're promoted to manage other managers? The common belief is that it's 10x harder, but the truth is it requires a completely different playbook. This new role demands a shift from direct action to indirect influence, from solving daily problems to coaching your managers, and from short-term tactics to long-term strategy and system design.The M2 podcast tackles the toughest leadership transitions — and this one is notorious, with a 60% failure rate for newly promoted directors. Here we examine why the skills that made you a great frontline manager won't work at the next level, what new skills you must develop, and how to avoid the common pitfalls that cause so many to fail. Key point - if you're a frontline manager who wants to get promoted, start acting like you're already at the next level by developing these skills now.

10. 

    19 Sept 2025

    M2 Episode 002 - the Player Lineup tool

    How do you best grow your subordinates? One approach is with a Player Lineup. This is a short and simple document where you track the learning and growth needs of your subordinates, for use in your 1-1 coaching conversations AND when planning holistically for the growth of your team. The TXL training toolbox contains many useful tools -- but we only include tools that repay you 10-to-1 in time and energy saved and performance improved. Here we examine which managers should use the Player Lineup, when, and why -- and help you decide if it's right for you. Key point - if you're taking over a new team, this tool can be incredibly valuable.

11. 

    5 Sept 2025

    M2 Episode 001 - Managing Managers, an Introduction

    There's a science to managing managers. In fact, without that science, you will struggle needlessly to fully support your subordinate managers in becoming excellent leaders. Jim Prinzing and Thomas Cox share their breakthrough understanding of what followers need in order to follow at their best, which paints a clear target for exactly what each leader needs to do, and learn, in order to lead with excellence. We further develop the idea that true lean and learning organizations need this model as their prerequisite to the work of collaborative problem solving needed to create excellence at all levels of an organization.

12. 

    19 Jun 2023

    Ultimate PIP - Get Your Low Performer Up to Par or Out the Door in 90 Days Without Drama

    Ultimate PIP: Up to Par or Out the Door in 90 Days with Zero Drama Thomas "the PIP Guy" Cox shows you why the typical PIP (Performance Improvement Plan) process is broken and harmful, what to do instead, and why you should embrace the PIP as a tool that will improve your own leadership and help your whole team perform better. Learn more at https://thepipguy.com. Recorded 09-Jun-2023

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