Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it.
The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort and expertise you put in to something shouldn't be a bad thing.
“It's a medieval farce about women's rights in the wake of the Norman invasion in 1066. It's very much within the remit of things that I love to work on. It's taking ideas that are reflected still today about kind of the progress of women's rights and how we think about literacy rates and the way that we understand each other but reflecting it through a medieval farce in the wake of the normal invasion.”
This episode is with writer and director Esalan Gates who is taking her play ‘God Save Us’ to The Lion and Unicorn Theatre in London from 6th to 10th October
We talk about what it takes to put a play like this together, running workshops for up and coming directors as well as working in fundraising for theatre projects. I started by asking Esalan to give a brief introduction about herself.
Tickets: https://app.lineupnow.com/event/god-save-us (https://app.lineupnow.com/event/god-save-us)
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25 Sept 2026
Lucy Lutte - Actor and Director
This episode is with Lucie Lutte who is founder of Arts organisation Limitless Presents and director of upcoming play Extremism that is on at The Cockpit Theatre from 29th Sep to 2nd October
We talk about what it takes to put a play like this together, running workshops for actors and creating opportunities to help people break into the sector.
Tickets: https://www.thecockpit.org.uk/show/extremism_by_anders_lustgarten (https://www.thecockpit.org.uk/show/extremism_by_anders_lustgarten)
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21 Sept 2026
Clown and Fringe with Natalie Patuzzo
"Some people were really scared... it kind of surprised me how many tourists I came across that didn't even seem to realise that Edinburgh Fringe was going on. And they were sort of walking down the mile, like what is happening right now. Some people came up to me because I was in costume and they were like, right, what's all this about? Give me your pitch kind of thing. So yeah, you get a real mix on the mile."
Latest guest Natalie Patuzzo talking about flyering in costume for her Fringe show 'Every Single Sound in the World'.
We talk about how the show and her love of clown came about, her experience at the Fringe and also her regular comedy night in Manchester Village Idiots!
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