Mitti Pao

About Mitti Pao

The ‘Mitti Pao’ podcast is at its very core, a gupshup session over a cup of chai. Hosted by two Punjabis, or if you prefer the neologisms, an Indian and a Pakistani, it is an attempt to talk about life and its absurdity on both sides of the Radcliffe line. Here, we take a dig at the very serious analysis that serious analysts do in serious places like newspapers, television and conferences. Our aim here is not to ‘shed light’, nor do we think ourselves capable of doing so. Rather, in the spirit of our title, we treat our conversation as a means to make sure you know lesser than you did

Publisher

Amit Julka, Ozz Zaff

Category

news

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

21 May 2021

Latest episode

6 Mar 2022

Latest episodes

12 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   6 Mar 2022

   EP 11: 'Bogeymen or Props' - UP Elections, Muslims, and Islamophobia

   Comprising over 200 million people, Uttar Pradesh (or UP) holds a decisive influence over Indian politics. In the 2017 state elections, the Hindu-nationalist came to power with a thumping majority, largely due to a campaign based on promises of development and 'keeping the Muslims in check'. In this episode, we talk to Dr. Abdullah Khan, a political activist from Aligarh and a scholar of media studies, about the recently concluded 2022 state elections, and specifically the role of Muslims in local politics. Historically, the community has been seen either as a 'threat' that can be used to pull votes in the name of Hindutva, or as a captive vote bank of 'secular parties' who have nowhere else to go. This time too, a lot of the political opposition avoided direct/visible engagements with the Muslim community in order to not be seen as anti-Hindu/pro-Muslim (the two go together unfortunately). Furthermore, the ruling BJP, frequently targeted the community in order to garner votes. Hence, in this podcast, Dr. Khan talks about the election, the frustrations of the Muslims, and the future of secular politics in India You can follow him on Twitter: @fascismcombat Language: Urdu-Hindi, English

2. 

   22 Nov 2021

   EP 10: Cricket and Discrimination (Captain Russell ko Africa Kyun Bheja?)

   In this episode, we peel apart the layers of the gentleman's game and talk about the role played by caste, race, and religion in cricket. We start with Azeem Rafiq's testimony in England, and then move on to the subcontinent, where we answer the most important question of all - In the film Lagaan, Why was Captain Russell sent to Africa?

3. 

   15 Oct 2021

   Episode 9: Killing & Buying the Messenger (India Edition): An Interview With Dr. Swati Maheshwari

   How does the media suffocate freedom of press, and what role does the government play? In this episode, we discuss these matters with Dr. Swati Maheshwari, a Media Studies researcher based in Singapore. She completed her PhD from the Hong Kong Baptist University investigating the relationship between journalism and the ruling elite in the Indian context. Her research interests centre on freedom of the press and political communication. She has published in journals like Journalism and International Journal of Communication. Before joining academia, she was a journalist with the leading Indian news channel NDTV for ten years. Swati's interview begins at 4:20

4. 

   3 Oct 2021

   Episode 8: Listening to Afghanistan - An Interview With Sahar Saba

   In this episode, we talk to the Afghan activist Sahar Saba about the situation in Afghanistan, its impact on the population (especially women and minorities) and finally, how *not* to talk about Afghanistan. Hence, we eschew all talk of lashkhars this and networks that dominate mainstream coverage of the country. Completely subverting the point of the video, Usman and I yap on till 8:00, please skip to the that point in case you would prefer just listening to Sahar About the guest: Sahar Saba is an Afghan women rights' activist. She has worked for many years in refugee camps in Pakistan and in Afghanistan in educational, advocacy, communication, and human rights fields. She has conducted training workshops on gender and human rights and communication in Kabul and other cities of Afghanistan. She has travelled to many countries in the past several years to speak on Afghanistan. She has a law degree from London University, and MA in Media from the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS). She writes on issues facing Afghan women. Sahar has keen interest in gender issues in media, human rights, and women’s gross root activism in Afghanistan. Currently, she is studying at Lukeå Technical University.

5. 

   23 Jul 2021

   Episode 7: Qissa-e Aam (Part 2) - Mirza Se Mao Tak!

   In this episode, we discuss mangoes in the modern era, beginning from Ghalib's donkeys, Mao's gift of mangoes, and how democracy was restored in Pakistan, thanks to a case full of mangoes. Executive Producer: Natallia Khaniejo

6. 

   13 Jul 2021

   Episode 6: Qissa-e Aam - or How I learned to stop worrying and enjoy the mango - Part 1

   In this two-episode series, we discuss all things mango, and how it has affected both our past and the present. In the first part we look at the history of the mango in the subcontinent, and how it is the Forrest Gump of fruits - present wherever the action is. Executive Producer: Natallia Khaniejo

7. 

   24 Jun 2021

   Episode 5: Silencing, Harassing, and Doxxing the Messenger - Part 1: An Interview with Tahir Imran Mian

   In the first episode of this series, we interview the renowned Pakistani journalist Tahir Imran Mian on various problems faced by journalists in Pakistan, ranging from press freedom to cyber bullying and the mental toll it takes on them (and their families). Tahir Imran Mian is an award winning investigative journalist & was previously the Social Media Editor for BBC Urdu. You can follow him on @TahirImran Timestamps 4:50 - Starting point of the interview 9:00 - Credibility of media 11:30 - Self Censorship 12:55 - Threats, accusations faced by journalists 13:40 - 20:24 - Cyberbullying/Mental toll on journalists 20:30 - Impact of social media vis-a-vis state censorship

8. 

   18 Jun 2021

   Episode 4: Vikas ki Bakwaas: What South Asia Gets Wrong About the Environment - Part 2

   In this episode, we interview Siddharth Singh, author of 'The Great Smog of India' (link below), a book on India's ongoing air pollution and environmental crisis. Apart from shedding light on the flaws of our so-called 'vikas', i.e. the developmental model, Sid tells us the real reason why you should care about the environment and air pollution - you will get diabetes, your kid will score lower in math and your sea-front property will be worth a lot less in the coming years. This episode is dedicated to Lil B - hope you are in a place with lots of water, sunshine and happiness Timestamps: 8:00 Sid begins to talk 16:05 onwards - Diabetes and air pollution 27:30 Usman talks about gendered dynamics of development You can follow Siddharth on Twitter (@siddharth3). His book can be purchased here (https://www.amazon.in/Great-Smog-India-Siddharth-Singh-ebook/dp/B07J2LN9QP). The audio version can be found here (https://www.audible.in/pd/The-Great-Smog-of-India-Audiobook/B08BT7YBVN?qid=1624012106&sr=1-1&ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1&pf_rd_p=2d02bc98-4366-4f94-99d9-5e898cda0766&pf_rd_r=8YFMMDG30TY4XQ56XWXT).

9. 

   7 Jun 2021

   Episode 3: Taraqqi kee tareeki: What South Asia Gets Wrong About The Environment - Part 1

   As the world celebrates World Environment Day, we take a closer look at how Pakistan subverts the environmentalist paradigm with climate change expert Fatima Yamin. We learn why environmental conservation is so poorly misunderstood and badly managed in favor of our aspirations towards development (taraqqi) for  betterment (Khushhaali), when in reality, these very aspirations are threatening to regress our lives and incite conflict both within the country, as well as the region. Podcast Hosts: Usman Zafar, Amit Julka Guest: Fatima Yamin Executive Producer: Natallia Khaniejo جون کو عالمی ماحولیاتی  دن منایا جا رہا ہے۔ موسمی تبلیلی کا بحران پوری دنیا کے لیے ایک آزمائش ہے۔ لیکن کیا پاکستان اس بحران کو سنجیدگی سے لے رہا ہے؟ کیا اس موضوع پر ہمارے طرزِ بیان میں اصلاح کی ضرورت ہے؟ کیا ہم نے ترقی اور خوشحالی کے نام پر ماحولی بدلاؤ اور اس کے نقصانات کو نظر انداز کر دیا ہے؟ اس موضوع پر ہم گفتگو کریں گے ماحولیاتی ماہر فاطمہ یمین سے۔ Reading List https://nayadaur.tv/amp/2020/12/rethink-the-masculinist-political-economy-of-water-management/ https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/world-environment-day-2021-positive-future-b1859929.html https://nayadaur.tv/amp/2020/11/motorways-mountains-and-tourism-what-lies-has-ahead-for-the-people-in-north/ https://councilonstrategicrisks.org/2020/02/11/briefer-climate-change-and-the-india-pakistan-rivalry/ https://www.thethirdpole.net/en/climate/comment-why-was-pakistan-left-out-of-bidens-climate-summit/

10. 

    1 Jun 2021

    Episode 2: Despising Shylock, Envying Sharon

    During the current Israel-Palestine crisis, support for the Palestinians in Pakistan ranged from legitimate criticism of the Israeli state to crude anti-semitic tropes. On the other side of the border, while many called for reconciliation and peace, a majoritarian political ideology envies Israel, casting it as an ideal for how India should act, especially in the context of Pakistan. This 'Israel envy' and anti-semitism are in reality two sides of the same coin. In this episode, we explore both these pathologies. Timestamps: 0:00-25:58 - Antisemitism in Pakistan 25:58 onwards - India's Israel Envy References: Chomsky, Noam. ‘Israel, the Holocaust, and Anti Semitism’, https://chomsky.info/dissent01/ Kumaraswamy, P.R., 2010. India's Israel policy. Columbia University Press. Blarel, N., 2015. The Evolution of India’s Israel Policy. Continuity, Change, and Compromise since 1922. Devji, F., 2013. Muslim Zion: Pakistan as a political idea. Hurst Publishers. Achcar, G., 2010. The Arabs and the Holocaust: the Arab-Israeli war of narratives. Metropolitan Books. Mearsheimer, J.J. and Walt, S.M., 2006. The Israel lobby and US foreign policy Carr, E.H., 2016. The Twenty Years' Crisis, 1919-1939: Reissued with a new preface from Michael Cox. Springer. Shah Muhammad Qureshi’s gaffe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyTw--JYnSE Veena Malik’s Antisemitism: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/834906-veena-malik-receives-backlash-for-promoting-violent-anti-semitism-through-made-up-hitler-quote ADL on anti-semitic myths: https://www.adl.org/media/2133/download

11. 

    22 May 2021

    Episode 1: Viruses: Biological and Political

    In the first episode of the Mitti Pao podcast, we take a look at the politics around the second wave of coronavirus in India and the rise of the Tehreek-e Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) movement. While these may seem worlds apart, they ultimately share the same core - states unable and unwilling to ride the majoritarian and anti-rational tigers they fed. Sound and artwork credits: Natallia Khaniejo Timestamps (approximate) 00:00-04:00 - Introduction and general faffing 4:00-33:00 - India's second wave, sympathetic Pakistanis and India Today's Infographic Islamophobia 33:00 onwards - Tehreek-e Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) and the spectre of blasphemy laws

12. 

    21 May 2021

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