June 2, 2026
GRETCHEN CARLSON
<p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> EPISODE SUMMARY</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> In this powerful and unflinching episode, Vanessa Reiser sits down with Gretchen Carlsonβformer Fox News anchor, Miss America 1989, bestselling author, and co-founder of Lift Our Voicesβto discuss coercive control, workplace silencing, sexual harassment, and the long road to reclaiming your voice. Gretchen shares the trauma of two sexual assaults at age 22 during her Miss America year, the deep shame and isolation that followed, and how those experiences set the stage for years of systemic harassment at Fox News that ultimately led to her courageous decision to come forward in 2016. The conversation frames abuse as fundamentally about power, explores how public degradation of female journalists and threats to press freedom normalize misogyny, and highlights the cultural shift toward believing survivorsβincluding renewed attention around the Epstein files. Gretchen breaks down the silencing tools of NDAs and forced arbitration, celebrates the two landmark federal laws passed in 2022 (the Speak Out Act and the Ending Forced Arbitration of Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment Act), and emphasizes the power of transparency, collective action, and teaching young people to speak up early.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> KEY TOPICS DISCUSSED</span></strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Early trauma: Two sexual assaults at age 22 during Miss America reign</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Lasting shame, silence, and how past abuse primes women for further exploitation</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Power-driven abuse: Predators target strong, visible women</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Workplace silencing at Fox News: Harassment, retaliation, and the tipping point in 2016</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Public degradation of female journalists & threats to the First Amendment</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Cultural desensitization and how misogyny becomes normalized</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Epstein files & the ongoing fight to believe survivors</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> #MeToo cultural shift: From disbelief to accountability</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Power in numbers: Collective action changes laws and culture</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> NDAs & forced arbitration: How they silence workers and protect abusers</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Speak Out Act (2022): Invalidating NDAs for sexual misconduct claims</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Ending forced arbitration for sexual assault/harassment (2022)</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Fixing toxic leadership: Transparency, accountability, and cultural change</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Teaching young people to speak up before abuse escalates</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Reclaiming your voice after losing it to fear and shame</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> RESOURCES</span></strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Gretchen Carlson's organization: Lift Our Voices (liftourvoices.org) β fighting workplace harassment & NDAs</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Books by Gretchen Carlson: Be Fierce, Getting Real</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Connect with Gretchen: Instagram: @gretchencarlson Twitter/X: @GretchenCarlson Website: gretchencarlson.com</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Connect with Vanessa Reiser</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Instagram: @vanessareiserlcsw Website: tellatherapist.net Patreon: Exclusive bonus content & deeper survivor discussions</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> CONTENT WARNINGS</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> This episode contains discussions of:</span></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Sexual assault & harassment</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Coercive control & workplace abuse</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Trauma, shame, and silencing</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Public degradation & misogyny</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Threats to press freedom & First Amendment concerns</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> QUOTES TO REMEMBER</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> "Abuse is always about power. It's not about sexβit's about control." β Gretchen Carlson "When you're silenced for so long, finding your voice again is one of the most courageous things you can do." β Gretchen Carlson "The laws are changing because survivors spoke up. Transparency is the antidote to secrecy." β Gretchen Carlson "You have to teach young people that speaking up isn't weaknessβit's strength." β Vanessa Reiser</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> TIMESTAMPS</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> 00:00 β Show Introduction 01:17 β Meet Gretchen Carlson 04:25 β First Assault Story 06:02 β Second Assault Aftermath & Lasting Trauma 08:51 β Power and Predators 10:19 β Targeting Strong Women 12:40 β Journalism Under Pressure 14:10 β "Piggy" Comment Trigger & Workplace Harassment 16:26 β Culture Damage & Desensitization 19:39 β Epstein Files & Belief in Survivors 20:52 β #MeToo Cultural Shift 21:57 β Power in Numbers 22:56 β Fox News Tipping Point (2016) 23:45 β Fighting Workplace NDAs 24:55 β Losing and Reclaiming Your Voice 29:57 β Speak Out Act Explained 30:24 β Forced Arbitration Trap 34:31 β Fixing Toxic Leadership 37:48 β Standing Up Young 40:58 β Where to Find Gretchen 41:31 β Final Healing Message</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Disclaimer:</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> This podcast is for mature audiences and is not a substitute for therapy, legal, or medical advice. Guest opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the host or affiliated platforms. Produced by Vanessa Reiser. Music: "Once Upon a Time" by Alex Productions.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts! 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