Welcome to New Kinship, where we are exploring and renewing ideas of belonging, desire, and being a neighbor in the Kingdom of Jesus. Together we are pursuing the communion and shalom of the church and the world. Pull up a chair and join the conversation! <br/><br/><a href="https://newkinship.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">newkinship.substack.com</a>
New Kinship
Claim This Podcastby David Frank and TJ Espinoza
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Welcome to New Kinship, where we are exploring and renewing ideas of belonging, desire, and being a neighbor in the Kingdom of Jesus. Together we are pursuing the communion and shalom of the church and the world. Pull up a chair and join the conversation! <br/><br/><a href="https://newkinship.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">newkinship.substack.com</a>
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July 8, 2026
#84 - Finding Space in the Anglican Church: Jon-Michael Shelley on Side B, Vocation, and Leadership
<p>Jon-Michael Shelley, a youth pastor in Atlanta, joins David and TJ to share about his journey as a Side B Christian from a Southern Baptist upbringing into the Anglican tradition. He discussed how liturgy, community, and pastoral care shaped his healing and vocation, and how he has come to understand sexuality as an integrated part of faithful discipleship and ministry. Jon-Michael also reflected on calling, celibacy, church leadership, and why he believes Side B Christians have meaningful gifts to offer the church.</p><p>Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/3-a-b-y-x-4-sides-on-ssagay-sexuality-69e">#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality</a></p><p>★ <strong>About Our Guest</strong></p><p>Jon-Michael Shelley is a youth pastor and preacher in the Anglican Church of North America. He’s mentored and discipled young people in church and parachurch ministries for ten years. He has a passion for fostering rich conversations about the deep truths of Christian life among young people and inviting them into relationship with the God who made them. He can be reached via email: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:jonmichael@immanuelatl.org">jonmichael@immanuelatl.org</a> or on Instagram: @jonmichaelshelley</p><p>—</p><p>★ <strong>Timestamps</strong></p><p>(00:00) #84 - Finding Space in the Anglican Church: Jon-Michael Shelley on Side B, Vocation, and Leadership</p><p>(01:28) Jon-Michael’s story</p><p>(10:07) How I ended up Anglican</p><p>(15:27) Sexuality growing up: Going under the radar</p><p>(24:09) Youth pastoring and parent perception in liberal secular environments</p><p>(28:38) Why are you Side B?</p><p>(40:28) Unique gifts in ministry as a gay man</p><p>(44:55) How did you change your take on getting married?</p><p>(50:13) Ordination in the ACNA?</p><p>(58:50) Hopes for the Anglican church on faith/sexuality topics</p><p>—</p><p>★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, and support || Email: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:communionandshalom@gmail.com">communionandshalom@gmail.com</a> | Instagram: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/newkinship">@newkinship</a> | Substack: <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/">@newkinship</a></p><p><strong>—</strong></p><p><strong>★ Credits ||</strong> Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza, Tyler Parker | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.carlswensonmusic.com/">carlswensonmusic.com</a> | Podcast Manager: Elena F. ★</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to New Kinship at <a href="https://newkinship.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">newkinship.substack.com/subscribe</a>
June 29, 2026
Kinship Lab #04 - Are Two Better than One? | Celibate Partnership Review
<p><strong>What's the big deal about celibate partnerships?!</strong></p><p>Pieter Valk wrote an article in 2023 with a significant critique on celibate partnerships, but in 2026 he made <a target="_blank" href="https://equipyourcommunity.org/celibate-partnerships/">significant revisions</a> with an expanded imagination for the possibility and goodness that these kinds of relationships can play for Christians who are looking to live chaste lives within relationships of belonging and mutual care.</p><p>If you are new to the conversation, here is a brief description: <strong>celibate partnerships</strong> are long-term committed relationships between two people (typically of the same sex) who regard each other as their primary life partner, yet, unlike marriage, their relationship is not open to sexual activity.</p><p>The validity and shape of these relationships have been a prominent conversation and debate within the Side B community, so we’re grateful for the opportunity to read Pieter Valk’s thoughts and offer some of our own. We’d love to hear what you think after you give a listen! Here’s a few questions to stir your thinking:</p><p>Do you think conservative churches can embrace the possibility of celibate partnerships based on Pieter’s accommodation argument? or would they be better suited to develop an expanded imagination for friendship and spiritual siblinghood?</p><p>How do you think different forms of partnerships compete or complement investments into serving community or other facets of pursuing God?</p><p>What are the practical needs that people have, regardless of whether they are celibate or not, that need to be seriously considered?</p><p></p><p><strong>References:</strong></p><p>A thoughtful article by our friend Pieter Valk: <a target="_blank" href="https://equipyourcommunity.org/celibate-partnerships/">https://equipyourcommunity.org/celibate-partnerships/</a></p><p></p><p><strong>Time Stamps:</strong></p><p>00:00 Kinship Lab #4 - Celibate Partnerships</p><p>01:19 Revoice Buzz</p><p>02:38 Why This Episode</p><p>07:08 Defining Celibate Partnership</p><p>10:29 Valk’s Argument Overview</p><p>15:43 Tapestry of Kinship</p><p>19:32 Strengths of the Article</p><p>24:17 Core Critiques</p><p>33:18 Romance and Vocation Boundaries</p><p>36:49 Biblical Examples and Categories</p><p>42:33 (Mis)Using Love Bible Verses and Inspiration for Partnership</p><p>46:35 Not Marriage Lite</p><p>55:00 Hot Take on Growth</p><p>01:00:28 Why Marriage Is Unique</p><p>01:05:23 Explaining Celibate Partnerships Publicly</p><p>01:10:36 Distinctions, Research, and Pastoral Anxiety</p><p>01:16:16 Constructive Feedback Wishlist</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to New Kinship at <a href="https://newkinship.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">newkinship.substack.com/subscribe</a>
June 17, 2026
#83 - “Being Gay Is Like...” The Metaphors We Use for Homosexuality
<p>How do the comparisons we use for queer sexuality shape the way we think, believe, and respond to one another? TJ and podcast manager Elena explore—with new and previous guests—some metaphors Christians use to understand “being gay.” We talked strengths and limitations of each metaphor and how it can impact the lives of LGBTQ+ people. Take a listen, and then join the conversation on Substack!</p><p>Note: This episode uses the term “Side B” as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out Communion & Shalom episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/3-a-b-y-x-4-sides-on-ssagay-sexuality-69e">#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality</a></p><p>—</p><p>★ <strong>Timestamps</strong></p><p>(00:00) #83 - “Being Gay Is Like...” The Metaphors We Use for Homosexuality</p><p>(00:38) Our metaphors shape our thinking</p><p>(07:53) “Being gay is like a disease”</p><p>(22:42) “Being gay is a curse...or worse...”</p><p>(33:40) “Being gay is like being an alcoholic”</p><p>(43:44) “Being gay is... an abomination...”</p><p>(56:21) “Being gay is like...an appetite [for food]”</p><p>(01:12:14) “Being gay is like being heterosexual”</p><p>—</p><p><strong>★ Links and References</strong></p><p>Other episodes we referred to in this podcast:</p><p>#21 - <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/21-tates-story-growing-up-gay-in-8fd">Tate’s Story: Growing Up Gay in Texas</a></p><p>#24 - <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/24-african-voices-mwendia-shares-b72">African Voices: Mwendia Shares on Same-Sex Attraction in Kenya</a></p><p>#52 - <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/affectionate-towards-christ-a-journey">Affectionate towards Christ: A Journey of Faith with Pastor Shalom</a></p><p>#54 - <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/54-side-b-and-side-x-in-dialogue">Side B & Side X in Dialogue: With Jason Thompson from Portland Fellowship</a></p><p>#34 - <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/p/34-interview-with-a-longstanding-e7b">Interview with a Longstanding Side B Ally, Misty Irons</a></p><p>Quoted: Catholic Answers Tract on “Homosexuality”: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality">www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality</a></p><p>—</p><p>★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, or support:</p><p>Email: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:communionandshalom@gmail.com">communionandshalom@gmail.com</a> | Instagram: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/newkinship">@newkinship</a> | Substack: <a target="_blank" href="https://newkinship.substack.com/">@newkinship</a> | Patreon: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.patreon.com/newkinship">@newkinship</a></p><p>—</p><p><strong>★ Credits</strong></p><p>Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza, Tyler Parker | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, <a target="_blank" href="http://carlswensonmusic.com">carlswensonmusic.com</a> | Podcast Manager: Elena F. ★</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to New Kinship at <a href="https://newkinship.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">newkinship.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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