- 16
- Episodes
- 4
- Ratings
- 2024
- First episode
About Next Frontier
Next Frontier, hosted by Danish climate entrepreneur Thomas Andersson, is a podcast focused on supply chain sustainability. Within the climate and sustainability movement, the supply chain is very much the next frontier that needs to be conquered. In an era of greenwashing and now also greenhushing, we need to get way better at sharing our learnings. In each episode, we engage in conversation with practitioners, entrepreneurs, and advisors who share their successes and failures, learnings, do's and don'ts, and personal stories on their journey in the climate transition. We focus on very tangible and real-world examples and get away from all of the buzzwords and high-level talk. Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community! Write us an email (mailto:thomas@nextfrontier.earth), find Thomas on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasbuchandersson/), or subscribe to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@nextfrontierearth). Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
- Publisher
- Thomas Buch Andersson
- Category
- business
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 20 Mar 2024
- Latest episode
- 5 Nov 2025
Latest episodes
16 episodes in the feed.
5 Nov 2025
Sub-tier supply chains, bill of laden data, and yetis
In this episode, Thomas Andersson speaks with Dave Applegate, founder of ImportYeti, about the importance of supply chain data and how ImportYeti aggregates US customs data to provide insights into supplier relationships. They discuss the challenges of sub-tier supplier mapping, the significance of understanding the bill of lading, and the impact of tariffs on procurement decisions. Dave shares insights on data accuracy, biases in shipping records, and the role of data science in identifying reliable suppliers. The conversation emphasizes the need for strong supplier relationships and the potential of tools like ImportYeti to streamline the supplier discovery process. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
22 Oct 2025
Renewable Electricity Adoption in the Supply Chain
Today I'm talking to Matthew Yamatin. I found him through the Sustainable Procurement Pledge. He published a case study on how Thermo Fisher engages with both customers and suppliers on renewable electricity adoption. Fascinating and a great topic for the show. So I invited him on to discuss all things renewable electricity. Matt has a background as an environmental engineer. He has worked with sustainability and renewable electricity across the US and China, and he's now sustainability program director at Thermo Fisher. He's both passionate and incredibly knowledgeable about renewable electricity. So this was a fantastic discussion and we really got to nerd out. We talk about how to adopt renewable electricity programs in the supply chain, both power purchasing agreements and suppliers installing on-site generators. We'll touch on the state of the renewable electricity sector, what's going on with SBTI and the greenhouse gases protocol when it comes to recognizing renewable electricity. We'll talk about something called the DUCT Curve, and we'll even comment on geopolitics and China versus the US, which is particularly interesting, as it was only a few weeks ago when we recorded this that China announced their first ever climate targets and the US abandoned the Paris Agreement. This is a really good one. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
2 Jul 2025
Academia’s perspective on sustainable procurement, compliance, trust and sub-tier supply chains
Thomas Johnsen explores sustainable procurement's evolving landscape, emphasizing regulatory changes, supplier relationships, and compliance strategies within academia and industry in this interview.
17 Jun 2025
Sustainability, geopolitics, and how to affect on-the-ground change at the source of the supply chain
Thomas and Sree discuss sustainability, supply chain traceability, and the impact of regulations, revealing how consumer demand and operational efficiency drive sustainable business practices in this interview.
30 Oct 2024
The data behind emission factors - And what it means for Scope 3 and sustainable procurement
In this conversation, Thomas and Philipp von Bieberstein, co-founder and CRO of Climatiq, delve into the intricacies of sustainable procurement, focusing on decarbonization and emission factors. Philipp shares his journey in founding Climatiq, a company dedicated to providing a tech stack for emission calculations. They discuss the importance of emission factors, the complexities of calculating emissions across various activities, and the challenges of ensuring comparability in data. The conversation also highlights the evolving landscape of emission factors, the role of local energy infrastructure, and practical advice for sustainability managers. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for action over perfection in the pursuit of sustainability. Takeaways Decarbonization is a key focus in sustainable procurement. Emission factors serve as multipliers for calculating carbon footprints. Comparability in emission data is critical for effective procurement decisions. Local energy infrastructure significantly impacts emissions calculations. Engaging suppliers is essential for obtaining accurate emission data. Automation in carbon accounting is necessary to reduce manual data collection. Understanding hotspots in the supply chain is crucial for effective decarbonization efforts. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Philipp von Bieberstein Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
18 Sept 2024
Medical supply chains and the ESG curse of middlemen and poor inventory management
In this conversation, Thomas and Luká Yancopoulos, founder and CEO of Pandemic Relief Supply and Grapevine Technologies, discuss the challenges and opportunities in the medical supply chain from a sustainability perspective. They highlight the inefficiencies caused by middlemen and unnecessary shipments, leading to increased costs and carbon emissions. They also touch on the issue of waste, including the disposal of expired medical supplies. Luká shares insights into Grapevine, a company that aims to optimize the medical supply chain by connecting medical practices directly with suppliers and reducing unnecessary shipments. They also discuss the need for better inventory management and the potential for passive monitoring to reduce waste. Luká emphasizes the importance of making sustainability an easy and obvious choice for businesses and consumers. Takeaways The medical supply chain faces challenges in terms of inefficiencies caused by middlemen and unnecessary shipments, leading to increased costs and carbon emissions. Waste is a significant issue in the medical industry, with a large amount of expired medical supplies being thrown away. Grapevine is a company that aims to optimize the medical supply chain by connecting medical practices directly with suppliers and reducing unnecessary shipments. Better inventory management and passive monitoring can help reduce waste and improve sustainability in the medical supply chain. Making sustainability an easy and obvious choice is crucial for driving change in the industry. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Luká Yancopoulos Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
21 Aug 2024
Sustainable product design and sub-tier supply chains
In this conversation, Thomas and Neil D'Souza, CEO at Makersite, touch on personal experiences, the changing landscape of sustainability, the role of regulations, and the challenges of communicating sustainability to consumers. Neil explains how Makersite helps companies make better products faster by constructing digital twins of products and analyzing their environmental impacts, costs, and regulatory compliance. They also discuss the levers that can be pulled to design more sustainable products, including material changes, sourcing strategies, and product lifecycle considerations. Takeaways The sustainability landscape has changed significantly in recent years, driven by factors such as geopolitical shifts, changing consumer demographics, and regulations. Companies are increasingly recognizing the business sense of sustainability and the importance of transparency in their supply chains. Designing more sustainable products involves considering material changes, sourcing strategies, and product lifecycle considerations. Material choices, manufacturing processes, and supply chains are the three primary drivers of sustainability in product design and supply chains. Designing products for their specific context of use and end-of-life considerations is crucial. Companies should focus on defining their materiality and specific sustainability goals to drive meaningful change. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Neil D'Souza Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
18 Jun 2024
LCAs and EPDs: How to navigate product-level emission data with your suppliers
Thomas talks with Fabian Diaz, LCA and EPD Project Manager at Climate Earth, about sustainability on the product level and the use of life cycle assessments (LCA) to evaluate environmental impact. Fabian shares his journey into sustainability, starting as an engineer in the oil and gas sector and transitioning to LCA. They also touch on the maturity and awareness of sustainability in Europe compared to other regions, discussing the challenges and opportunities of implementing life cycle assessment (LCA) and environmental product declarations (EPDs) in supply chains. Free resources from the EU to get up-to-speed with LCA, as mentioned by Fabian in the episode: https://eplca.jrc.ec.europa.eu/uploads/ILCD-Handbook-General-guide-for-LCA-DETAILED-GUIDANCE-12March2010-ISBN-fin-v1.0-EN.pdf (https://eplca.jrc.ec.europa.eu/uploads/ILCD-Handbook-General-guide-for-LCA-DETAILED-GUIDANCE-12March2010-ISBN-fin-v1.0-EN.pdf) https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC58190 (https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC58190) https://eplca.jrc.ec.europa.eu/permalink/PEF_method.pdf (https://eplca.jrc.ec.europa.eu/permalink/PEF_method.pdf) Takeaways Life cycle assessment (LCA) is a methodology to evaluate the environmental impact of a product, process, system, or service. LCA covers activities such as energy consumption, materials, and waste generation throughout the life cycle. LCA and Scope 1, 2, and 3 emissions calculations have similarities and differences, but they can provide complementary information for decision-making. Environmental product declarations (EPDs) can enhance comparability by following specific product category rules and providing standardized information. Buyers should read EPDs carefully to understand the assumptions and limitations of the data and make informed decisions. Implementing LCA and EPDs in supply chains requires effort and time, but it is necessary for transitioning to a sustainable society. The construction, food, energy, automotive, and chemical sectors are among the industries where LCA and EPDs are more prevalent. LCA data can be used to support product redesign and procurement optimization strategies. The allocation of environmental impacts in LCA can be based on production volumes, economics, or energy content. LCA should not be seen as a standalone tool but as part of a holistic approach to sustainability. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Fabian Diaz Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
4 Jun 2024
How to source sustainably and collaborate with suppliers
In this episode, Thomas and Tim Grunow, Co-Founder of Archlet, discuss various topics including the tradition of burning a snowman in Zurich, the history of Archlet, and the role of sustainability in procurement. They explore how Archlet helps businesses make sustainable sourcing decisions and the challenges they face in implementing sustainability strategies. They emphasize the importance of leadership buy-in and education in driving sustainable procurement strategies. They also discuss the need for procurement teams to collaborate with suppliers and foster innovation in order to achieve sustainability goals. Tim encourages organizations to start somewhere and communicate the value of sustainable procurement internally. Takeaways The sustainability landscape in procurement is evolving, with some categories being more advanced than others. Strong leadership is crucial in driving sustainability initiatives in procurement. Educating businesses about sustainability and providing clear metrics is important for progress. Procurement plays a key role in achieving sustainability goals in businesses. Collaboration with suppliers and fostering innovation are key to achieving sustainability goals. Sustainable procurement extends beyond emissions reduction to include topics such as Diversity & Inclusion and Compliance. Organizations should communicate the value of sustainable procurement internally. There is potential for incentivizing supplier performance on sustainability. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Tim Grunow Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
21 May 2024
The consultant's perspective on sustainable procurement
In this episode, Thomas interviews Luke Abbott, CEO and Founder of Equipoise, about sustainable procurement. They discuss Luke's journey to specializing in this field, the definition of sustainable procurement, and the challenges and trends within. They also explore the drivers for sustainable procurement, including marketing, employee pressure, investor pressure, and cost savings. In this conversation, Luke highlights the importance of understanding scope 3 emissions and the risk of focusing solely on carbon emissions. Other environmental and social topics, such as nature, biodiversity, and supply diversity, are also important considerations. Luke notes that different industries and regions have varying priorities in sustainable procurement. He emphasizes the need for global regulations and collaboration with suppliers to reduce emissions. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the changing focus of sustainable procurement and the impact of regulations. Takeaways Sustainable procurement involves understanding and addressing the negative environmental and social impacts of the supply chain. Drivers for sustainable procurement include marketing and branding, employee pressure, investor pressure, and cost savings. Sustainable procurement can elevate the role of procurement within organizations and contribute to the achievement of environmental and social goals. Regulations are becoming stronger, leading to an increased focus on sustainable procurement. Understanding scope 3 emissions is crucial. Sustainable procurement should not focus solely on carbon emissions but also consider other environmental and social topics. Different industries and regions have varying priorities in sustainable procurement. Collaboration with suppliers is essential for reducing emissions and driving sustainability. Embedding sustainability throughout the procurement process is key to successful sustainable procurement. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Luke Abbott Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
7 May 2024
(re)Designing products for sustainability and sustainability in product marketing
In this conversation, Yann Chilvers, Founder and Co-CEO of Covalo, discusses the work of his company in helping consumer goods businesses design more sustainable products. He emphasizes the importance of transparency and providing consumers with access to information and data to make educated decisions. Yann also highlights the challenges and complexities of making ingredients more sustainable, including considerations of packaging, carbon footprint, and supply chain logistics. The conversation explores various aspects of sustainability and consumer behavior. It highlights the importance of creating awareness and educating consumers about sustainability issues. The role of governments in defining standards and regulations is discussed, as well as the challenges of consumer decision-making and the complexity of sustainability definitions. The conversation also touches on the concepts of circularity and upcycling in product design, the limitations of blockchain for traceability, and the potential and realities of AI in sustainability. The importance of authenticity and finding the right focus in redesigning products for sustainability is emphasized. Takeaways Creating awareness and educating consumers is crucial for promoting sustainability. Consumer preferences and sustainability concerns vary across different countries. Governments play a key role in defining standards and regulations for sustainability. Consumer education and expectations are increasing, leading to higher demands for sustainable products. Misinformation and oversimplification can hinder progress in sustainability efforts. Circularity and upcycling are important concepts in product design for sustainability. Consumer resistance to change and the importance of perception and education should be considered. Blockchain has limitations in traceability for sustainability, and AI has potential but must be utilized properly. Authenticity and focusing on one important aspect of sustainability are key in redesigning products. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Yann Chilvers Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
23 Apr 2024
Investigative journalism in the supply chain and climate justice
Melanie Rideout, humanitarian and climate advisor, discusses her work in sustainability and social impact, as well as her passion for dystopian films! She shares her journey into sustainability and the complexity of evaluating sustainability in supply chains. The conversation also explores the conflict of values in sustainable development and the oversimplification of economic growth. Melanie introduces the concept of degrowth and discusses the problems with the current economic system. The conversation concludes with a discussion on efficiency and circular economy, as well as Melanie's background in journalism. The conversation explores the flaws in the current economic system and the need for change. It discusses the value of products and the concept of scarcity. The importance of creating new narratives for business is emphasized, along with the role of AI and technology in sustainability. The conversation also highlights the need to build a fabric of community and connection. It suggests finding leverage points for change and shares an example of environmental sustainability in humanitarian response. The importance of balancing sustainability and cost is discussed, as well as the power of conversation and dialogue in finding solutions. Takeaways The current economic system has flaws that need to be addressed. The value of products and the concept of scarcity play a role in sustainability. Creating new narratives for business is essential for a sustainable future. AI and technology can be used to promote sustainability and accountability. Building a fabric of community and connection is crucial for sustainable practices. Finding leverage points for change can lead to impactful sustainability initiatives. Balancing sustainability and cost is possible and beneficial. Conversation and dialogue are key in finding solutions to sustainability challenges. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Melanie Rideout Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community: https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth (https://linktr.ee/nextfrontierearth) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
9 Apr 2024
Evaluating supply chains in Africa, circularity, and empowering local economies
Kenny Kaluiji, founder of Decarbonify and Baobabpad, discusses his journey from working in the oil and gas industry to focusing on sustainability and climate change. He shares his frustration with the lack of attention to climate change in the industry and his decision to transition to Norway to study energy and environment. Kenny also talks about his master's thesis on supply chain issues and the challenges of getting data from suppliers. He highlights the impacts of climate change in Africa and the need for climate equity and investment in infrastructure. The conversation explores the topics of circularity and overconsumption, mitigating social risks in the supply chain, moving labor to low-risk countries, local refineries and resource extraction, moving manufacturing closer to resources and consumption, the challenge of trust in auditing supplier practices, the importance of culture in building trust, and broadening the focus of supply chain sustainability from just CO2 emissions to social and environmental impacts. Takeaways The oil and gas industry often neglects climate change and pollution issues, leading to environmental damage. Climate change has significant impacts in Africa, including flooding, droughts, and lack of access to energy. Climate equity and investment in infrastructure are crucial for addressing climate change in Africa. Circularity is crucial in addressing overconsumption and reducing waste streams that end up in developing countries. Companies need to mitigate social risks in the supply chain and avoid exacerbating poverty issues. Investing in local refineries and manufacturing facilities can create jobs and reduce costs in resource-rich countries. Trust in supplier practices requires understanding the culture and values of the organization. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Kenny Kaluiji Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community! Feel free to find Thomas on LinkedIn to connect over supply chain sustainability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
26 Mar 2024
Decarbonizing logistics, electric trucks, and the social risks in freight
In this conversation, Geoffoy Henry, CEO of Ofload, discusses the importance of decarbonization and waste reduction in the logistics industry. He shares his background and journey to Ofload, highlighting the need for change in the industry. Geoff also talks about the maturity of Scope 3 regulation in Australia and the role of multinational companies in driving sustainability. He emphasizes the importance of measuring and understanding carbon emissions in logistics and the potential of electric trucks. Geoff also discusses the benefits of intermodal transportation and the social challenges in the trucking industry, such as mental health and safety. He talks about the difficulty of attracting new drivers and suggests potential solutions such as associating with bodies and lobbying to lower the minimum age requirement for a license. Geoff also highlights the risks associated with the freight industry, including the transportation of illegal goods. Finally, Geoff emphasizes the progress being made in sustainability and the changing mentality within the industry. Takeaways Decarbonization and waste reduction are crucial in the logistics industry to drive sustainability. Measuring and understanding carbon emissions is essential for making informed decisions and driving change. Electric trucks are a viable option for short-distance transportation, while hydrogen may be more suitable for long-distance transportation. Intermodal transportation, such as using boats and trains, can help reduce carbon emissions and optimize logistics. The social side of ESG in trucking includes addressing mental health, safety, and the well-being of truck drivers. The logistics industry faces challenges in attracting new drivers, and efforts should be made to make the job more appealing and accessible. The freight industry carries risks, including the transportation of illegal goods, and companies should be vigilant in inspecting their trucks and shipments. There is progress being made in sustainability within the logistics industry, with a growing understanding of carbon footprint and a shift in decision-making towards environmental considerations. Transformation and positive change are happening in the industry, and it is important to measure progress and celebrate the small steps taken. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Geoffroy Henry Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community! Feel free to find Thomas on LinkedIn to connect over supply chain sustainability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
26 Mar 2024
Conflict minerals, industry collaborations, and the metals and mining supply chain
In this conversation, Anastasia Kuskova discusses her experience running sustainability for a large company and her journey into the field. She emphasizes the importance of supply chain sustainability and shares insights from her work at ERG, a metals and mining company. Anastasia also introduces Sirius, an AI-driven sustainability copilot for mining and metal companies. She highlights the challenges and best practices of industry collaborations and offers advice on getting started with supply chain sustainability. Takeaways Supply chain sustainability is a critical aspect of corporate sustainability, especially in industries like metals and mining. Prioritization is key when tackling supply chain sustainability, considering regional differences and materiality analysis. Industry collaborations can be challenging but can also drive meaningful change if dedicated resources are invested and clear goals are set. Startups like Sirius are leveraging AI and data infrastructure to simplify and streamline sustainability efforts in supply chains. Getting started with supply chain sustainability requires understanding priorities, embracing the process, and taking action. Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Guest: Anastasia Kuskova Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and become part of the Next Frontier community! Feel free to find Thomas on LinkedIn to connect over supply chain sustainability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
20 Mar 2024
Introducing Next Frontier
This podcast is about the successes and failures, learnings, do's and don'ts, and stories coming from real people on their journey in the climate transition. It's called Next Frontier because we focus on the supply chain, which is often both the root cause and the solution to many sustainability problems but it's immensely complex. Within the overall climate and sustainability movement, the supply chain is very much the next frontier that needs to be conquered. In an era of greenwashing and now also greenhushing, we need to get way better at sharing our learnings with each other. And honestly, we need to make it more interesting. It's heavy to read about the impending doom and gloom of climate change and social issues like slavery and child labor. So our hope with Next Frontier is to package it in a more interesting and entertaining format. Personally, I'm a climate entrepreneur. I've built two companies now that focus on sustainable supply chain, one focused on logistics and the other one on procurement. So I've been having interesting discussions in this field for a while, both with technologists trying to tackle the problem with technology, but also with working with practitioners who are experiencing real-life issues every single day. Next Frontier brings you the perspectives of both the practitioners who are on their own journey and the entrepreneurs and advisors who have been working in detail with these problems across companies. We'll try to focus on very tangible and real-world examples and hopefully get away from all of the buzzwords and high-level talk. Join the conversation, give us feedback, suggest people we should speak to and areas we should cover, and engage with me directly on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasbuchandersson/) or by email (mailto:thomas@nextfrontier.earth). I hope you'll enjoy listening to Next Frontier as much as I enjoy producing the episodes. See you in the next episode! Host: Thomas Buch Andersson Producer: Cristina Souto Music: Kiholm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.
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