Next Steps Podcasts is the audio media arm of my Substack. This podcast will include conversations and interviews about politics, art and culture, and life in general.
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Welcome to Next Steps Podcasts. Today, in collaboration with Owen Paepke (https://cowenpaepke.substack.com/), author of The Purple Presidency (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/c-owen-paepke/the-purple-presidency-2024-english-and-italian-edi/), we are interviewing Holly Page, cofounder and senior advisor for No Labels (https://www.nolabels.org/). We cover everything from No Labels’ recent letter to the Department of Justice (http://www.nolabels.org/dojcomplaint) regarding efforts by Democratic groups to suppress No Labels access to the ballot to what it means to “be brave” in today’s political climate. As the Trump v Biden presidential contest becomes increasingly likely, No Labels offers voters who would rather gargle glass shards than vote for either candidate a potential alternative. Holly has a wealth of experience in presidential politics and provides insight into the 2024 presidential race and the part that No Labels may play in it.
0:20: Introductions
1:50: Attacks on No Labels
4:00 Vision of No Labels
5:40: Ross Perot/balanced budget
7:40 Ballot access focus of No Labels
10:00: Ballot access status
11:30: Law on 501c4 organizations
14:40: Changing perceptions of third parties
17:00: Incentives in DC
18:10; Broken system
20:20: Bringing House and Senate together
24:00: Immigration/progress
26:50: Organized No Labels opposition
29:00: Millennial voters
32:10: Keeping Unity Ticket on track
33:20: Perot candidacy
34:20: Trump and Biden risks
35:50: More on opposition
36:40: Perot candidacy: constructive outcome
39:50: “Be Brave” slogan meaning
41:00 Parallel to American Revolution
42:20: Turning vision into reality
44:40: Arithmetic of 3-way race
45:10: Persuadable voting segments
45:50: Vision of the opportunity
47:10: Final thoughts: responsibilities of citizenship
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2 Oct 2023
Next Steps - Looking outside the 2024 candidate box
I had so much fun with my September “conversation turned podcast” with Owen Paepke about what younger generations have at stake with the 2024 presidential election, I couldn’t wait to do it again. This conversation with Owen follows up on his Substack post “If not Biden or Trump, then Who? (https://open.substack.com/pub/cowenpaepke/p/if-not-trump-or-biden-then-who?r=283tca&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email)”. Millions of Americans have expressed their desire to avoid a 2020 Presidential contest redo, seems fertile ground for a third party run by… somebody. In this conversation we discuss why we’re in the situation that we’re in and polish up the crystal ball for some future gazing at who that somebody might be.
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11 Sept 2023
Next Steps - Keeping our Promises to Younger Generations
My wife, Kathy, and I recently had the pleasure of hosting Linda and Owen Paepke for dinner at our house. While dinner was cooking, I ambushed Owen, asking him if I could interview him regarding his latest column on Substack, titled "Keeping America's Promise to Younger Generations" (https://open.substack.com/pub/cowenpaepke/p/keeping-americas-promise-to-younger?r=283tca&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web). Out of this conversation comes the first of what will hopefully be many future Next Steps Podcasts. This is a conversation just like the millions that are occurring daily around America's dinner tables. And just like with those other conversations, in the background you hear others chatting and enjoying themselves as well.
So welcome to this dinner time discussion between Owen Paepke and Tony Jones as we consider the Next Steps for our nation, especially in regard to ensuring a future for our younger generations.
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