No One Cares You Wrote a Book is about everything that happens before and after you type “The End.”
Fantasy and sci-fi writers C.J. Kael and Chris Wards share the reality of writing, editing, publishing and trying to find readers. We follow our own journeys in real time, including the mistakes, small wins, questionable decisions and lessons we wish someone had shared with us earlier.
Expect honest conversations about worldbuilding, first drafts, working with editors, traditional versus indie publishing, book marketing, social media, BookTok trends and what it actually takes to get a book into the world.
Two writers. Honest takes. Questionable decisions.
In this podcast episode, Chris Wards and C.J. Kael discuss the intricacies of villainy in storytelling, exploring what makes a villain memorable and compelling. They share personal insights on their favorite villains from literature and media, while also delving into the moral complexities that define these characters. The conversation delves into the complexities of villain archetypes in storytelling, exploring various types of villains and their motivations. The discussion also critiques modern storytelling trends that humanize villains, emphasizing the importance of maintaining clear moral distinctions in narratives.
Takeaways
Villains reflect moral complexities
Memorable villains have presence Villain archetypes enrich storytelling
Humanizing villains can dilute moral clarity
Chapters
00:00 Exploring Villainy in Storytelling
13:17 What Makes a Villain Compelling?
19:35 The Complexity of Villains
24:20 Villains in Literature and Media
28:09 Exploring Villain Archetypes
29:50 The Complexity of Villain Motivations
34:42 The Impact of Modern Storytelling Trends
52:46 Redemption Arcs and Their Significance
16 Oct 2026
Episode 6 - Writing the Middle Without Losing Your Mind
In this episode, Chris Wards and C.J. Kael engage with author JL Storm to discuss the challenges of writing the middle of a book, the creative process, and the emotional journey of sharing one's work. They explore the differences between plotters and panzers, the importance of setting goals, and the vulnerability that comes with writing and publishing. The conversation delves into the creative process of writing, focusing on themes of interconnected dimensions, character development, and the challenges of editing and self-doubt. The speakers share personal experiences with writing momentum, inspiration from dreams, and the complexities of managing side characters and writer's block, culminating in discussions about future projects and publishing.
Takeaways
Writing the middle is challenging
Embrace vulnerability in sharing work Embrace self-doubt as part of writing
Editing is crucial for clarity
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
01:03 Exploring the Crown Key and Its Themes
02:59 JL Storm's Journey into Writing
06:37 The Writing Process: From Idea to Manuscript
08:43 The Difference Between Plotters and Panzers
10:36 Navigating Corners in Writing
12:56 The Emotional Journey of Writing
16:47 Finding Joy in the Middle of Writing
19:20 The Vulnerability of Sharing Your Work
22:22 Goals and Themes in Storytelling
27:31 Exploring Interconnected Dimensions
29:27 Character Development and Themes
30:52 The Editing Process and Self-Doubt
32:30 Stripping Away Excess: The Art of Editing
34:56 Writing Momentum and Obsession
36:46 Dreams as Inspiration for Writing
39:03 Navigating Side Characters and POVs
42:45 Writer's Block and Overcoming Challenges
47:45 Future Plans and Publishing Journey
5 Oct 2026
Episode 5 - Why Is Writing Advice So Contradictory?
In this episode, C.J. Kael and Chris Wards discuss the often contradictory nature of writing advice with their guest, Chantel Burnham. They explore the importance of trusting one's instincts, the role of critique partners, and the challenges of navigating reader expectations and social media presence. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the nuances of writing, the importance of understanding and sometimes breaking the rules, and the challenges of receiving feedback. They also explore the differences between traditional and indie publishing, as well as effective marketing strategies for authors.
Takeaways
Trust your gut in writing
Contradictory advice is common Learn rules before breaking them
Feedback can improve writing
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Writing Advice
02:55 Chantel's Writing Journey
05:59 The Role of Critique Partners
09:04 Navigating Contradictory Advice
12:07 The Challenge of Reader Expectations
14:54 Social Media and Author Presence
18:03 Understanding Writing Rules
20:47 The Importance of Confidence in Writing
38:08 The Importance of Writing Rules
41:55 Navigating Feedback and Criticism
48:06 Finding Readers and Marketing Strategies
55:51 Traditional vs. Indie Publishing Choices
01:02:13 Valuable Writing Advice and Insights
21 Sept 2026
Episode 4 - Are We Writing the Book We Want to Read, or the Book We Think Will Sell?
The conversation explores the tension between writing a book for personal fulfillment and writing for commercial success. It delves into the evolution of the authors' perspectives on writing for readers and marketability, as well as the impact of generational expectations and trends in the publishing industry. The conversation delves into the impact of social media on writers, the evolving trends in fantasy literature, and the influence of cultural fragmentation on reader preferences. It also explores the tension between writing for oneself and writing for commercial success.
Takeaways
Writing for readers vs. writing for marketability
The impact of generational expectations and trends in the publishing industry Social media presence is essential for writers in today's publishing landscape.
The evolution of fantasy literature reflects the changing cultural and generational influences.
Chapters
00:00 Writing for Personal Fulfillment vs. Commercial Success
03:06 Evolution of Writing Perspectives
17:36 Impact of Generational Expectations and Trends
20:27 The Impact of Social Media on Writers
26:29 Evolving Trends in Fantasy Literature
29:27 Cultural Fragmentation and Reader Preferences
35:17 Writing for Oneself vs. Commercial Success
15 Sept 2026
Episode 3 - How Much Worldbuilding Is Too Much?
The podcast episode explores the art of world building in fantasy and science fiction writing. It delves into the role of maps, the depth of world building, meta world building, and the importance of language, characters, and culture in setting the scene for a fictional world. The conversation delves into the exploration of cultural settings in fantasy, the debate on understanding magic, the challenges of invented terminology and world building, the balance between world building and plot development, the strength of character and relationship in world building, and the payoff of world building in fantasy literature.
Takeaways
World building is a crucial aspect of fantasy and science fiction writing.
Maps play a significant role in world building, providing a visual representation of the fictional world.
Language, characters, and culture are essential elements in making a fictional world feel real. Cultural settings in fantasy literature provide fresh and intriguing world-building opportunities.
The best world building in fantasy literature has a payoff and is woven into character moments.
Chapters
00:00 The Art of World Building
03:09 The Role of Maps in World Building
07:41 The Depth of World Building
15:26 Meta World Building and Language
23:16 Setting the Scene with Characters and Culture
24:16 Cultural Settings in Fantasy
26:04 The Debate on Understanding Magic
31:47 Invented Terminology and World Building
35:14 Balancing World Building and Plot Development
38:00 The Strength of Character and Relationship in World Building
43:09 The Payoff of World Building
11 Sept 2026
Episode 2 - Nobody Cares You Wrote a Book
The conversation delves into the emotional journey of finishing a manuscript, seeking feedback, overcoming self-doubt, and the challenges of marketing and selling a new book. It explores the anxiety and uncertainty that follows the completion of a manuscript, the process of seeking feedback and improvement, and the challenges of engaging with writing groups and beta readers. It also addresses the pressure of making the first book a success and the challenges of marketing and selling a new book. The conversation delves into the challenges of building an online profile, marketing and promotion, the writer's dilemma, completing the manuscript, and the value of writing. It also looks ahead to the next topic of discussion.
Takeaways
The emotional journey of finishing a manuscript
Challenges of seeking feedback and overcoming self-doubt Navigating the online landscape is essential for authors
Marketing and promotion are crucial for book success
Chapters
00:00 The Feeling of Finishing
03:02 Post-Manuscript Anxiety
04:24 Seeking Feedback and Improvement
06:09 Sharing Manuscripts and Receiving Critiques
08:53 Challenges of Seeking Feedback from Friends and Family
11:49 Engaging with Writing Groups and Beta Readers
17:06 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Fear of Publishing
20:23 The Pressure of Making the First Book a Success
23:23 Challenges of Marketing and Selling a New Book
25:43 Navigating the Online Landscape
27:12 Building an Online Profile
29:04 Marketing and Promotion
32:37 Challenges of Publishing
33:09 The Writer's Dilemma
36:09 Completing the Manuscript
39:40 The Value of Writing
44:09 Looking Ahead
10 Sept 2026
Episode 1 - Why Did We Think Writing a Book Was a Good Idea?
The first episode of the podcast delves into the journey of writing a book, exploring the motivations, struggles, and support systems of the hosts. It highlights the evolution of their creative process and the impact of personal relationships on their writing endeavors.
Takeaways
Motivations for writing a book are deeply personal and often driven by a desire for self-expression and personal fulfillment.
The support and encouragement of a trusted friend or partner can be instrumental in overcoming self-doubt and navigating the challenges of the writing process.
Chapters
00:00 The Journey Begins
02:55 The Evolution of Ideas and World Building
11:00 Motivations and Ambitions
16:05 Struggles and Self-Doubt
26:08 Support and Validation
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