Welcome to Not Another Dog and Pony Show, where animal behaviour and training professionals Lauren Fraser, MSc, FFCP, and Matthias Lenz, KPA graduate, FDM, are on a mission to connect dog and horse trainers from diverse backgrounds, through open-minded & friendly, philosophical discourse. We tackle our industry's 'dog and pony show' issues head-on, encouraging our training and behaviour colleagues to learn from one another and consider things from outside one's usual biases. We believe such unity is crucial for improving our industry and, ultimately, the welfare of animals.

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Welcome to Not Another Dog and Pony Show, where animal behaviour and training professionals Lauren Fraser, MSc, FFCP, and Matthias Lenz, KPA graduate, FDM, are on a mission to connect dog and horse trainers from diverse backgrounds, through open-minded & friendly, philosophical discourse. We tackle our industry's 'dog and pony show' issues head-on, encouraging our training and behaviour colleagues to learn from one another and consider things from outside one's usual biases. We believe such unity is crucial for improving our industry and, ultimately, the welfare of animals.
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Recent Episodes

May 4, 2026
Gretta Ford: Building a sustainable behaviour/training business
<p>Where Lauren sits down with Gretta Ford (unfortunately without Matthias) to talk about how underpricing our services, the wrong marketing, and the social media hamster wheel all impact our businesses. And what we can do instead.</p><p>Also, the flattened nuance trap, architectural firm websites, and what makes Lauren's armpits really sweaty.</p><p><a href="https://www.setuptosucceed.co.uk/make-it-click">Gretta's Make it Click Freebie</a></p><p><a href="https://www.setuptosucceed.co.uk/secret-base-rate-calculator-sign-up">Gretta's Base Rate Calculator</a></p><p></p><p>Topic or guest suggestions? Fan mail? Hate mail? We love to hear from you all!</p><p>Email notanotherdogandponyshow@gmail.com</p>

April 10, 2026
Kim Brophey: Welfare of dogs in captivity
<p>Where Matthias sits down with Kim Brophey (unfortunately without Lauren) to talk about why many discussions on methodology seem to miss the mark, how the absence of problematic behaviour does not equal good welfare, and Kim's ambitions to help trainers better assess the welfare of the dogs with whom they work.</p><p>Also, the fact that Matthias' wife (reluctantly) listened to the podcast for the first time, the dog park that ruined everything, and increasing child welfare by letting them roam.</p><p>Kim has kindly offered Dog and Pony listeners 30% off of her LEGS 2.0 course, using the code DOGANDPONY :</p><p><a href="https://kimbropheylegscourses.thinkific.com/pages/pro-landing-page" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Kim Brophey's LEGS 2.0</a></p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/b9C_XRcbI_Q?si=Id3Q-qodmLOzrJc6" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">The Dog's Truth Free Course</a></p><p><br></p>

March 27, 2026
What makes a great animal trainer?
<p>Where we sit down together to talk about what makes a great trainer, if someone needs to be a good trainer to be a teacher of trainers, and being the best insect you can be.</p><p>Also, we argue about responsibility for solving clients' problems, what to do when your ADHD writes notes to future self, and we both agree that Matthias isn't a great trainer.</p><p><a href="https://www.setuptosucceed.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Gretta Ford's Set Up to Succeed </a></p><p><a href="https://www.equinebehaviorist.ca/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Lauren's jazzy new website and services</a></p><p><a href="https://www.needleshyhorse.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">And needle-shy horse programs coming very soon! </a></p><p>Topic or guest suggestions? Fan mail? Hate mail? We love to hear from you all! </p><p>Email notanotherdogandponyshow@gmail.com</p>
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