Not Another Dog and Pony Show

About Not Another Dog and Pony Show

Welcome to Not Another Dog and Pony Show, where animal behaviour and training professionals Lauren Fraser, MSc, FFCP, and Matthias Lenz, KPA graduate, FDM, are on a mission to connect dog and horse trainers from diverse backgrounds, through open-minded & friendly, philosophical discourse. We tackle our industry's 'dog and pony show' issues head-on, encouraging our training and behaviour colleagues to learn from one another and consider things from outside one's usual biases. We believe such unity is crucial for improving our industry and, ultimately, the welfare of animals.

Publisher

Not Another Dog And Pony Show

Category

education

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

25 Jan 2024

Latest episode

7 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

42 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   7 Oct 2026

   Jay Jack: 'Wanting for, not from' - for animals and people

   Where we sit down to talk with Jay Jack about choosing expression and/or control in animal training, how using R- to train clients hurts progress, and what reliable adherence to a minimum standard gets you. Also, Lauren lets slip a little Husky dislike, fooling ourselves about the opinions of others, and upping your explaining game. Jay's website (nldogs.com) GRC Dog Sports (grcdogsports.com) Topic or guest suggestions? Fan mail? Hate mail? We love to hear from you all! Email ⁠notanotherdogandponyshow@gmail.com⁠

2. 

   15 Jul 2026

   Safaris, angles of approach, and the end of an era

   Where we sit down to talk about Matthias' recent work/play trip to South Africa, Lauren's big news, and if gatekeeping important info could be better for our industry, and the animals we serve. Also, elephant rutting season smell-o-vision, angles of approach, and Mommas-don't-let-your-passion-become-your-profession woes. South African Guide Dog Association (https://guidedog.org.za/) The Conversations podcast episode about Tagalaka man Victor Steffensen's journey to becoming a cultural burning expert. (Tagalaka man Victor Steffensen is a cultural burning expert)

3. 

   3 Jun 2026

   Aliens! Just kidding.

   Where Lauren and Matthias sit down to talk about the end of the search bar as we know it (and how that might impact your business), animal behaviour and training conference formats, and 'liberty' training both dogs and horses Also, Team Erin, mouth money, and absolutely not aliens. CBC Radio 'So Long Google Search Bar' segment (https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-379-cost-of-living/clip/16216405-so-long-google-search-bar) Topic or guest suggestions? Fan mail? Hate mail? We love to hear from you all! Email ⁠notanotherdogandponyshow@gmail.com⁠

Reach and audience

Public platform figures. Ratings count people who left a rating, not total listeners.

YouTube views

4,657,709,572

Score snapshot 15 Sept 2025

Apple Podcasts (US)

4.4 / 5

7 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

11 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 50 / 100

A composite of feed quality, social presence, YouTube performance and engagement. Read the methodology.

Quality

29

Social presence

0

YouTube

93

Engagement

82

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