Nuance is a conversation series unlike any other—where 14 Christian thought leaders, pastors, artists, and influencers come together two at a time for honest, grace-filled dialogue across lines of difference.
Each of the 13 episodes pairs two voices you may not expect to see in the same room, exploring prompt cards that challenge assumptions, surface tensions, and invite vulnerability. They don’t always agree. That’s the point. What emerges is not debate, but a richer kind of unity—one rooted in listening well, honoring each other’s stories, and holding space for complexity without compromising conviction.
These are the conversations we need in a polarized world. With topics that range from race to revival, politics to purity culture, deconstruction to discipleship, Nuance offers a model of courageous curiosity—centered in Christ, grounded in Scripture, and fueled by the Spirit of relational reconciliation that genuinely explores what it means to live Unto Jesus today.
If you're hungry for depth, tired of division, and ready for a better way forward—welcome. This is Nuance.
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Is Heaven Equal for Everyone? Is Hell Real? Thoughts on Eternity | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Is every Christian rewarded the same way in heaven? Or do our earthly choices impact eternity? In this thought-provoking episode of Nuance, Compassion International (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations)'s podcast, Rachael Grohl (Hearing Jesus Podcast) and theologian Nathan Finocchio dive into one of Christianity’s most debated questions: what are heavenly rewards, really?
With humor, honesty, and deep scriptural insight, they explore topics like eternal conscious torment vs. annihilationism, the reality of hell, the purpose behind stewardship, and why the treasures in heaven may not be what we think. Rachel brings a compassionate, people-centered lens while Nathan doesn’t shy away from bold, sometimes unpopular theology, yet the conversation remains rich, respectful, and surprisingly hopeful.
Whether you're wrestling with the tension between grace and reward, curious about what “making heaven crowded” means, or just want to see two Christians disagree beautifully, this episode is for you.
🟡 Don’t miss this one, it’s layered, gracious, and might just reframe how you think about eternity.
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29 Jul 2025
Church Hurt, Burnout & Bad Theology | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
What actually makes a soul healthy—and where does the local church fit in?
In this refreshingly candid conversation of Compassion International (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations)'s podcast, author and entrepreneur Zach Windahl joins theologian and creative Nathan Finochio for a soul-deep dive into church attendance, spiritual habits, and what true soul care looks like in modern Christian life. From laughing about Fortnite binges and bad worship lyrics to tackling deep theological tensions, this episode of Nuance explores why showing up—physically and spiritually—matters more than ever.
They wrestle with big questions like:
Is church attendance really mandatory for a healthy soul?
Can therapy and prayer coexist in Christian discipleship?
Is God behind our emotional struggles—or are we just... tired?
Equal parts theological, humorous, and heartfelt, this episode offers an honest take on building rhythms that nourish your spirit without falling into performance traps. Whether you're in a season of deconstruction, burnout, or renewal, Zach and Nathan bring nuance, grace, and a bit of necessary sarcasm to the table.
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21 Jul 2025
Anxiety, Faith & the Lie of "Not Enough" | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
What happens when two women of faith speak honestly about the darkness they've faced—and the light that broke through?
In this deeply vulnerable episode of Compassion International (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations)'s Nuance podcast, Ashley Willis (author, biblical counselor, and marriage minister) and Aarti Sequeira (Food Network personality and mother of two) open up about their personal battles with anxiety, postpartum depression, and the isolating stigma that often surrounds mental health in Christian spaces.
From late-night panic attacks to life-changing words from a spouse, and from harmful over-spiritualization to the healing power of gratitude, Ashley and Aarti don't hold back. They speak candidly about their journeys, the tools that helped them heal (yes, including medication), and the ways the Church can better support those silently suffering.
This conversation is a balm for the weary—and a challenge to any community that still hesitates to talk about “brain health” from the pulpit. Whether you’re struggling, supporting someone who is, or simply curious how faith intersects with mental wellness, this episode is a must-watch.
Subscribe for more real conversations like this. You are not alone.
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14 Jul 2025
The Church Isn’t Broken, Maybe We Just Stopped Abiding | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
What is the Church really called to do—and who’s responsible when it falls short?
In this powerful episode of Nuance from Compassion International, (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations) Austin Rockwell (young adult pastor, DJ, and founder of Kamp Love) joins NBA chaplain and Evolve Church pastor Kenneth Lock for a conversation that cuts through clichés and gets real about spiritual responsibility, justice, grief, partnership with the secular world, and the presence of God.
Do all Christians have a personal duty to serve the marginalized? Should churches partner with secular organizations? Is the Church’s primary role worship, justice, or evangelism—or something deeper? With vulnerability, humor, and prophetic insight, Austin and Kenneth dismantle over-generalizations and call believers to a life of deep connection to Jesus—bearing fruit not from pressure, but from presence.
If you’ve ever been burned out by church expectations or unsure how faith intersects with justice, this episode is for you.
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1 Jul 2025
Can Christians Enjoy Nice Things Without Being Hypocrites? | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Is it okay for Christians to enjoy luxury, fashion, and comfort—or does that send the wrong message? In this heartfelt and honest conversation, Sazan Hendrix and Ashley Willis dive deep into what it means to steward our possessions well without letting them define us. From the pressures of perfectionism to the fine line between influence and indulgence, this episode explores how believers can navigate a culture of materialism while keeping their hearts anchored in eternal values.
Sazan shares a powerful childhood story about losing everything in a robbery and the lesson her parents taught her about true wealth. Ashley reflects on the tension between enjoying God’s blessings and not becoming a distraction to others. Together, they confront the stereotypes, challenge the “throwaway culture,” and model what it means to ask the hard questions with grace and humor.
If you've ever wrestled with guilt over what you own, or felt judged for how you express your faith in the world—this one’s for you.
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24 Jun 2025
The Truth About Healing from Deep Wounds | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Is it truly possible to forgive someone who’s not sorry—and should you ever reconcile? In this powerful episode of Compassion International's (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations) Nuance series, Rachel Grohl (host of the Hearing Jesus podcast) and Kiwi Vallejo Cook (Compassion alumni and physical therapist) share raw, unfiltered insights on the messy, painful process of forgiveness and emotional healing.
Together, they discuss how past pain can trap us in cycles of shame, how therapy can be a powerful tool in God's hands, and why forgiveness is not a one-time event, but a lifelong journey. Kiwi bravely opens up about the cultural stigma around therapy in her background and how she and her husband are breaking generational chains by seeking help. Rachel shares how God used Christian counseling to unlock freedom she never thought possible.
If you’ve ever wondered why healing feels so elusive—or if faith and therapy can really coexist—this conversation is for you. It’s vulnerable, hopeful, and fiercely honest. Because sometimes the only way forward is by facing the past with grace.
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17 Jun 2025
Is This Why Young Men Feel Lost? | Manhood, Marriage & the Future | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
What does it mean to raise sons in a world that feels unrecognizable from the one you grew up in? In this episode of Compassion International's Nuance series, Dave Willis—marriage podcaster and ministry leader—and Owen, a CPA and Compassion alumni, take a hard look at the generational gaps in masculinity, family structure, and financial faith. From absentee fathers to sacrificial generosity, from fear of the future to radical trust in God's provision, this conversation is equal parts sobering and inspiring.
Owen shares a jaw-dropping story of surrendering his last savings as a bold act of faith—only to experience divine provision in ways that echo God's promise: "You will lack nothing." Dave speaks honestly about raising four boys in today's world and why strengthening families is the key to shaping tomorrow. Together, they tackle difficult questions like: What defines financial security for a Christian? Should men be taught to stay when life gets hard? Are we training kids for the world we knew—or the one that’s coming?
This is a conversation filled with hope, truth, and practical wisdom for anyone burdened by the state of culture and the legacy they’ll leave behind.
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10 Jun 2025
Can You Raise Godly Kids Without Losing Yourself? | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Can we love our kids deeply… without making them the center of our world?
In this heartfelt episode of Compassion International's (https://www.compassion.com/untojesus/?referer=711080&utm_source=transistor&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=unto_jesus_fy25#conversations) new Nuance series, Jonathan Pitts and Heather MacFadyen—both parents of four and leaders in faith and family spaces—dive into the messy beauty of raising kids with wisdom, grace, and a long view of faith. With humor, humility, and decades of parenting experience between them, they explore what it really means to disciple children in today’s chaotic culture.
Together, they wrestle with:
Is it even possible to shield our kids from toxic influences?
How do we balance discipline with love—and avoid shame-based parenting?
What happens when our child’s independence clashes with our expectations?
Whether you’re in the toddler trenches, launching a teen, or just trying to model Jesus in the minivan, this conversation will remind you that perfection isn’t the goal—presence is. It’s not about controlling outcomes, but about creating a safe place where kids can learn, fail, and encounter God for themselves.
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3 Jun 2025
Is Your Body Image Blocking Your Ministry? | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Can we love God while hating the bodies He gave us?
In this vulnerable and empowering episode of Compassion International's new series Nuance, Food Network host Aarti Sequeira and physical therapist Keewani Vallejo Cook get real about body image, identity, and what it means to worship God with our whole selves. From disordered eating to fitness culture, aging, and beauty standards, nothing is off the table as they share deeply personal stories and raw reflections on how we see ourselves—and how God sees us.
Together they explore:
Is the obsession with health just a new form of idolatry?
Can you be spiritually strong but physically unhealthy?
How do we model true beauty to the next generation?
Whether you're struggling with your reflection in the mirror or trying to find peace in your changing body, this conversation invites you to let go of shame and step into God's radical affirmation. You are His masterpiece—lines, scars, silver streaks and all.
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27 May 2025
Is Social Media Saving Us—or Sabotaging Us? | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Christian influencers Zac Windall and Sazan Hendrix explore social media's impact on faith, relationships, and mental health, discussing its potential harms and benefits in an interview.
27 May 2025
Why Church Hurt Is More Than Just a Buzzword | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Pastor Kenneth Lock and author Julie Lyles Carr discuss the complexities of church health, burnout, and the challenges of building authentic faith communities in an interview, offering hope for the church's potential.
27 May 2025
Why Abiding Changes Everything | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Pastor Austin Rockwell and Heather MacFadyen discuss burnout, striving, and performance pressure in ministry and motherhood, exploring the meaning of abiding in Christ amidst a culture that rewards constant activity in this interview.
27 May 2025
Honoring Parents While Raising Kids | An UNTO JESUS Conversation
Bestselling author Julie Lyles Carr and TV personality Aarti Sequeira explore the tension of balancing elder care and child-rearing, sharing personal stories of guilt and generational love in this interview.
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