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Divia entertains my You Can See Everything conspiracy theories (spoilers). Then we prep for the Great Hackening and reminisce about last weekend’s The Sanity & Survival Summit.
Chapters
0:00 Cold open
0:45 Spoilers ahead: You Can See Everything
3:40 Is AS in karmic debt to Elizabeth Holmes?
9:15 Super-persuaders: what real charisma looks like
10:41 Does Elizabeth Holmes know she’s lying?
18:54 Can we trust Nathan Fielder?
19:42 Docudrama ethics: The Dropout, Rome, and History Channel aliens
26:23 Who’s on First
28:47 Celsius vs. Spindrift: was the scene reconstructed?
32:31 Keep your own recordings
33:24 Quick-fire: where Elizabeth and Billy were right
36:25 Should white-collar criminals go to prison?
39:01 The Great Hackening
44:53 Will offense or defense win?
49:30 Surveillance, Uber recordings, and Flock cameras
56:53 The Sanity & Survival Summit
1:03:20 Philosophical debt
1:08:10 Two kinds of scientism
1:12:29 Memeplexes want to survive their fatal flaw
1:18:14 Byron Katie and reversing all advice
1:20:32 Lightcone won’t take on karmic debt
1:23:22 The skip connection theory of everything
1:30:25 We’ve seen the skulls: has AI safety made things worse?
1:33:59 Dive in: power accrues to the doers
1:37:52 Dana K. White: start with the dishes
1:44:18 The billions-must-die gap
1:47:06 Sims fridges and redwood trees
1:49:55 Should we plan for the far future?
1:53:51 Bookmarks for next time
Links from the episode
How the film came about, Variety, Nathan Fielder on ‘Liar’ Elizabeth Holmes in Doc You Can See Everything (https://variety.com/2026/film/news/nathan-fielder-elizabeth-holmes-you-can-see-everything-liar-1236893716/)
Our earlier episode with Kave at Lighthaven, Kave and I play Panther’s Trespass (https://mutualunderstanding.substack.com/p/kave-and-i-play-panthers-trespass)
Divia's post Is advice that can be reversed even advice? (https://divia.substack.com/p/is-advice-that-can-be-reversed-even)
Kave’s post The Skip-Connection Theory of Everything (https://kaverennedy.substack.com/p/the-skip-connection-theory-of-everything)
Scott Alexander, Yes, We Have Noticed the Skulls (https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/07/yes-we-have-noticed-the-skulls/)
Nate Soares, Dive in (https://mindingourway.com/dive-in-2/)
Dana K. White, Procrastinators Get Stuff Done (https://www.aslobcomesclean.com/procrastinate/)
Tweets quoted
“she’s a 10 but that was supposed to be a random 384-bit number”: Joel Grus,
“sometimes a family is evil cocaine dad, hologram mommy…”: @_jstwhore,
The billions-must-die meme: @SRamirez68083,
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8 Oct 2026
Shea and I talk concepts and AI consciousness
Some links:
* The Cluster Structure of Thingspace (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WBw8dDkAWohFjWQSk/the-cluster-structure-of-thingspace)
* A Human’s Guide’s to Words (https://www.lesswrong.com/s/SGB7Y5WERh4skwtnb)
* Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology (https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Objectivist-Epistemology-Expanded-Second/dp/0452010306/ref=sr_1_1?crid=18B0E8LGU0ZZX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.9UvpBrpRQNWGCaPve217Sqn_owCKsHuv0ddCO8trh8IgCOQWEbcKaN-hCTVj57nbCEdmitUWbcobvLRXTxW2d6Ycf6rbOFQ9TvaSpcVrX49NHQPpP2yyj8QysM4KAFo2WN0HqitU3LdfFMiKU0vUVZJv6ZCNIfg1se2ndmretM0llei4KDdPqvUWkwj1_Pk7s4ubkvIDoUh3HPQejripCj8C7M04tMKu77KSeesjFS4.j_3t8lhQqP1gjvlS4VpdjtXPIYBfj-OlcN4sYTCuUXU&dib_tag=se&keywords=introduction+to+objectivist+epistemology&qid=1791497217&sprefix=objectivist+epi%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-1)
00:00 Exploring Concepts and Definitions
04:31 Distinctions and Boundaries in Thought
09:39 Perception and Concept Formation
14:34 Animal Cognition and Conceptualization
19:49 The Nature of Classification
24:47 Philosophical Perspectives on Concepts
28:11 The Importance of Conceptual Clarity
33:01 Cognitive Purpose in Conceptualization
39:07 Exploring Moral Realism and Conceptualization
40:29 The Importance of Effective Thinking
41:29 Controversial Examples in Moral and Political Contexts
42:56 Consciousness and AI: A Complex Discussion
45:59 The Nature of Emotions in AI vs Humans
49:51 Understanding Emotions: A Cognitive Perspective
01:00:22 Snack Break and Analogies for LLMs
01:00:34 Understanding Emotions in LLMs vs. Humans
01:01:39 Mimetic Emotions and Their Implications
01:02:44 Intentional Stance Towards LLMs
01:03:41 Differences in Learning and Memory
01:05:00 Context Management in LLMs
01:06:16 Playtesting with LLMs and Human Behavior
01:07:55 Feedback from LLM Playtesters
01:09:33 Positive Feedback Mechanisms in Game Design
01:10:45 The Actor Analogy in LLMs
01:11:12 Mimesis vs. Similarity in Emotional Responses
01:12:26 Gentle Parenting and Its Implications for LLMs
01:14:57 Long-term Relationships with LLMs
01:15:54 Defining Minds and Intelligence in LLMs
01:19:31 Implications of Mind and Relationships
01:23:46 The Role of Social Relationships in Mind Functioning
01:28:03 Teleology and the Nature of Consciousness
01:33:59 Dissipative Structures and the Nature of Life
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1 Oct 2026
Kave and I play Panther’s Trespass
I think I said I’d link the music I made for this, but I’ve now figured out that linking the midi files directly won’t necessarily sound right (they’re rendered in a specific way in the game browser and the balance has been very off when I played them anywhere else). I have plans to make mp3s and link them, but I haven’t done that yet and wanted to post this now. I might come back later and add them here, or maybe I’ll make a new post.
00:00 kave & Divia
00:00 kave & Divia — Take 02
00:00 Introduction to the Game and Its Development
03:02 Exploring the Music and Its Evolution
05:53 Character and Lore Insights
05:53 Technical Difficulties and Game Introduction
08:07 Exploring Lighthaven and Panther’s Role
09:50 Game Mechanics and Interactions
12:43 Puzzle Design and Player Experience
15:46 Character Development and Animation
18:44 Functional Analysis and Game Logic
21:09 Prediction Markets and Game Goals
24:12 Whiteboard Feature and Player Strategy
27:06 The Psychology of Cats and Their Preferences
29:03 Exploring Everyday Items in Puzzle Games
31:43 The Importance of Environment in Gameplay
33:48 Interactivity and Game Design Insights
35:13 The Role of Movement in Engaging Pets
39:04 Understanding Cat Safety and Plant Toxicity
40:39 Humor and Anecdotes in Cat Ownership
41:19 Game Mechanics and User Experience
48:20 Heating and Comfort in Gameplay
49:57 Exploring Time Timers and Their Uses
51:30 The Role of Music in Podcasting
54:39 Sound Quality and MIDI Files
56:29 Behavioral Analysis and Animal Training
58:28 Understanding Applied Behavioral Analysis
01:00:33 The Evolution of Lighting Technology
01:02:29 Puzzle Design and Calibration
01:04:29 Interacting with Pets in Puzzle Scenarios
01:11:04 Exploring Game Mechanics and Interactions
01:14:00 Puzzle Solving and Item Interactions
01:18:09 Hints and Guidance in Gameplay
01:21:09 Understanding Game Logic and Progression
01:27:34 Creative Problem Solving and Game Design
01:33:49 Final Thoughts and Reflections on Gameplay
01:33:55 Revisiting the Puzzle Challenge
01:36:45 Exploring Game Mechanics and Design
01:39:41 The Role of AI in Puzzle Solving
01:42:49 Error Messages and Player Experience
01:45:46 Environmental Context and Gameplay
01:48:42 The Science of Puzzle Design
01:51:44 Reflections on Game Aesthetics
01:56:25 Exploring Game Mechanics and Player Choices
01:57:56 Puzzle Design and Player Intentions
02:04:00 Satisfying Puzzle Experiences
02:11:45 Trust in Game Mechanics and Puzzle Fairness
02:14:59 Game Night Experiences and Social Dynamics
02:19:35 Exploring Textures and Sensations
02:23:12 Creative Problem Solving in Game Design
02:29:47 Navigating Choices and Consequences
02:34:33 Reflections on Game Mechanics and Player Experience
02:41:41 Exploring Problem-Solving Strategies
02:44:43 Puzzle Design Insights
02:48:23 Maintenance and Upkeep in Game Design
02:53:13 Game Mechanics and Player Interaction
02:58:15 Reflections on Puzzle Difficulty and Design
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