On Work and Revolution is a podcast that leads the way to creating amazing workplaces where people and ideas flourish. Or at least to work-life that doesn’t suck! We speak to the trend-setters, the futurists, the academics and the leaders who are shaking things up and finding new ways to work-life in our time. This show is for the leaders and pioneers who want to build thriving workplaces; who want to be on the cutting edge of people trends; and who need to navigate the world of work right now.
Join host Debbie Goodman, Group CEO of Jack Hammer Global, global executive search and board advisor, high-impact leadership coach, speaker, and author who has dedicated more than two decades to helping boards and CEOs with their most strategic people, leadership, and talent decisions.
Advaita Naidoo: Beyond the Gen Z Backlash - Untangling Workplace Misunderstandings to Build Better Leadership Pipelines
Advaita Naidoo, MD Africa at Jack Hammer, joins Debbie on this episode, to unpack why Gen Z has become the workplace's favourite scapegoat. Their view is that every generation arrives "not work ready", but this generation is judged on social media, shaped by lockdown and friction-free parenting, and has watched employers advertise cultures they don't deliver. The deeper risk, Advaita warns, is that managers who skip training in favour of AI or impatience are starving their own leadership pipeline. The advice runs both ways: leaders must explain the "why" and drop the "I had it hard, so should they" mindset, while young professionals must show up in person, learn to tolerate friction and stop labelling every discomfort as toxic.
26 Aug 2026
Sam Pokroy, CEO Sanari Capital: The Making of a Founder
-The myth of the overnight success - Sanari's decade-long grind to a sustainable fund, and the "countdown to overnight success" ritual Sam and her co-founder used to survive the years no one was watching.
-Saying no to the "easy" money - Turning down the Pritzker family's capital because deploying it would have meant abandoning her actual strategy, even with no fund and no track record of her own to fall back on.
-The dark night of the deal - The collapse of Sanari's first deal, the "time of death" moment, and the choice to be transparent with her kids about what failure and resilience really look like.
-The unequal bar for women in finance - Being held to a stricter technical standard, having zero "forgiveness margin," and needing tactics - not just inspiration - to operate in a structurally gender-biased industry.
-Disappointment as redirection - Using emotional attunement in moments of setback (relief vs. regret) as a compass for whether a closed door was actually the wrong door.
20 May 2026
Rui Morais, CEO Dis-Chem: Making Bold Bets. Disrupting the Healthcare Industry
Rui Morais, CEO of Dis-Chem Pharmacies and prior to that, the youngest CFO of a listed company in South Africa, sits down with Debbie Goodman to discuss the real story behind Dis-Chem's much-misreported restructure, and why it's actually a signal of bold ambition, not downsizing. With 200 new roles being created alongside the reorganisation, Rui explains how Dis-Chem is evolving from a retail pharmacy into South Africa's healthcare authority, backed by an innovation hub, strategic partnerships, and a board deeply aligned on purpose.
The conversation goes behind the scenes of one of the most publicly scrutinized CEO successions in South African corporate history, exploring the unexpected tension, identity shifts, and emotional complexity that no governance framework fully prepares you for. Throughout, Rui emerges as a leader who is deeply purposeful, refreshingly candid, and unafraid to swing for the fences.
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Nonku Pitje
Jurie Strydom
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Apple Podcasts (US)
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