Imagine a world without our smartphones and tablets. Surrounded by so many devices and apps, we have grown to appreciate the technology that makes our lives easier. At the same time, we know we are faced with constant change as we try to adapt to the rapid heartbeat of innovation. Technology companies are in a relentless pursuit to provide new services based on the latest technologies.
In every episode of this podcast, Frank de Jong and one of his co-hosts will invite one or more guests to talk about not only the obvious, but try to "look behind the curtain" as well.
#23: Orange Business Next-Gen and the value of the Graduate Program (Ricardo Laanen)
Episode 23: Orange Business Next-Gen and the value of the Graduate Program
Our guest in this episode is Ricardo Laanen, who is one of the many "second generation employees" in Orange Business. We discuss what it is like to work in the same company as your dad, but more importantly about how the Orange Graduate Program has helped Ricardo to kickstart his career in Orange.
Guest:
Ricardo Laanen - Smart Industries | Orange Business | Orange Graduate ProgramRicardo's LinkedIn profile (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ricardo-laanen/)
Useful information:
Orange Graduate Program (https://orange.jobs/gb/en/student/orange-graduate-program)
About the hosts:
Frank de Jong
Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/ (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ffjdejong%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7Cb24dffd08be24a76b9a308dcbaca2704%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590624647631584%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dqipatao4AbPADdtbvASgPjrC97uVAVdNuwCBMIr6j8%3D&reserved=0)
Email: frank.dejong@orange.com (mailto:frank.dejong@orange.com)
Francine Linzell
"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom
LinkedIn: (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fkerem-arsal-phd%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7C23328ef709724fdbc2b608dcbae29ec0%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590729700268143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=w3l1BUnbQ%2ByCNSes%2BsaDZ1YPNtzPfUlWmI7DBPd3GXQ%3D&reserved=0)https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/)
Disclaimer:
This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.
Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.
3 Aug 2026
#22: Pi-cast! The Why Of Pi
Episode 22: Pi-cast! The Why Of Pi
In episode #2 of this podcast, we spoke with Michael Deheneffe and we briefly talked about his fascination for the number Pi. We suggested we may need a dedicated episode about Pi and here it is! This episode my not be for the faint of heart, but if you would like to understand more about Pi and how someone can become so fascinated, this one is for you!
Guest:
Michael Deheneffe - Director Marketing & Innovation at Orange Business Services, Digital & Data
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeldeheneffe/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeldeheneffe/)
Useful information:
The Pi‑Search Page (https://www.angio.net/pi/ )
About the hosts:
Frank de Jong
Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/ (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ffjdejong%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7Cb24dffd08be24a76b9a308dcbaca2704%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590624647631584%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dqipatao4AbPADdtbvASgPjrC97uVAVdNuwCBMIr6j8%3D&reserved=0)
Email: frank.dejong@orange.com (mailto:frank.dejong@orange.com)
Francine Linzell
"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom
LinkedIn: (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fkerem-arsal-phd%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7C23328ef709724fdbc2b608dcbae29ec0%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590729700268143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=w3l1BUnbQ%2ByCNSes%2BsaDZ1YPNtzPfUlWmI7DBPd3GXQ%3D&reserved=0)https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/)
Disclaimer:
This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.
Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.
23 Jul 2026
#21: Landing In The Uncanny Valley
Episode 21: Landing In The Uncanny Valley
This episode is recorded at Insights 2026, the yearly analyst event hosted by Orange Business. In this episode Francine shares with us a real-life experience on how AI can be used and how it made her feel uncomfortable. Together with Leslie Rosenberg, Research Vice President at IDC, we explore the uncanny valley of AI.
Guests:
Leslie Rosenberg, Research Vice President at IDC
LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslie-rosenberg-318b4516/)
About the hosts:
Frank de Jong
Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/ (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ffjdejong%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7Cb24dffd08be24a76b9a308dcbaca2704%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590624647631584%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dqipatao4AbPADdtbvASgPjrC97uVAVdNuwCBMIr6j8%3D&reserved=0)
Email: frank.dejong@orange.com (mailto:frank.dejong@orange.com)
Francine Linzell
"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom
LinkedIn: (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fkerem-arsal-phd%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cfrank.dejong%40orange.com%7C23328ef709724fdbc2b608dcbae29ec0%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638590729700268143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=w3l1BUnbQ%2ByCNSes%2BsaDZ1YPNtzPfUlWmI7DBPd3GXQ%3D&reserved=0)https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/)
Disclaimer:
This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.
Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.
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