Parts & Charts: The IFS and Astrology Podcast

About Parts & Charts: The IFS and Astrology Podcast

Where we explore how inner parts and planetary archetypes speak to one another. partsandcharts.substack.com (https://partsandcharts.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)

Publisher

Chelsea Owens and KP Kaszubowski

Category

education · society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

10 Jun 2025

Latest episode

5 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

47 episodes in the feed.

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   5 Oct 2026

   45: Women Who Voice Note (Soul Friends Only) with Danielle Mainas of Cacio e Pepe Tarot and Natalie Silva of Godseye

   Be sure to subscribe here on Substack and follow — available on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/parts-charts-the-ifs-and-astrology-podcast/id1819784738), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/2iR7QcdimkXeGQ0HPTl14M), and wherever you get your podcasts. Parts & Charts is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. ABOUT OUR GUESTS Danielle Mainas is a co-creator of Cacio e Pepe Tarot (https://www.cacioepepetarot.com/), a deck that reimagines the 78 cards through food, ritual, and the everyday magic of the table. Made with her creative sisters Megan Morris and Lindsey Newton, the deck has been carried by SFMOMA and featured in Eater and Air Mail. A Gemini sun with a Taurus moon and Leo rising, Danielle lives where curiosity meets comfort: one part endlessly asking questions, one part slow-simmered pleasure, and one part pulling up a chair for everyone. She believes a good meal and a good reading do the same thing. They bring us back to ourselves and to each other. She lives in Sebastopol, California, where the kitchen is her favorite altar. www.cacioepepetarot.com (http://www.cacioepepetarot.com/)Instagram: Danielle Mainas (https://substack.com/profile/41088074-danielle-mainas) Natalie Rose Silva In a time of deep grief, Natalie began weaving godseyes. She was a new mother and newly motherless, and as her entire world shifted, she was consumed with the undeniable urge to create, create, create. Each godseye was a portal back to Natalie’s childhood, a reminder of the bright, golden light that she’s carried with her since she was a little girl. Her inner light became her lantern in the darkness, illuminating her own way when no one else could do it for her. As she grew, Natalie became immensely skilled at shining that light onto those around her. She was — and is — a beacon of fierce, abundant love. Natalie’s hands twisted and turned the colorful threads, soaked with channeled oils and scents that imbued each strand with deeper meaning. Her scent inspiration came from the smoky, resinous notes of incense and smudges that came home with her from ceremony, lingering on her clothes and in her hair. These smells were portals, too — an elixir of wild botanicals, whispered prayers, and rock-n-roll devotion. Another godseye was complete. The portal had taken shape and the vision was clear: Godseye was a prayer to alchemize her pain into staggering beauty. https://godseyeoils.com/ (https://godseyeoils.com/) https://www.instagram.com/godseyeoils/ (https://www.instagram.com/godseyeoils/) Some ideas aren’t ready to happen yet. They just need somewhere to go. For Danielle Mainas and Natalie Rose Silva, that place is a spreadsheet called What We’re Dreaming. Danielle keeps it. Natalie says something brilliant, which is all of the time, and someone says yes, and it goes on the spreadsheet. Big Pants for Tall Queens. Prayer Pops. A moon clock that tells you when to prune, with a goose honking at the full moon. Nothing on the spreadsheet has to happen. It happens when it wants to. Their tarot deck started there. “We don’t know when. We don’t need to know how. We don’t care about how much it costs. It’s just let it flow and let it be open.”— Natalie This week, Danielle (creator of Cacio e Pepe Tarot, where your birth card might be a steak and your Venus might be a Vegas buffet) and Natalie (perfumer and potion-maker behind Godseye) join us to talk about the radical yes of sisterhood. That’s the kind of friendship where permission to cancel makes the yes more reliable, where a sister’s success reads as inspiration rather than threat, and where a 45-minute voice memo is a love letter. “The no’s make the yeses so much more safe.”— Natalie We hear how they met at the Witches Confluence in San Francisco, Danielle sweating behind her booth in what she calls the supermodel alley of witches. For weeks afterward she believed Natalie, Erica, and Emmet were biological sisters, triplets actually, despite a twelve-year age gap. Natalie talks about Sister School, the program she and her spirit sister Erica are building after more than twenty years of ceremony together. It’s a space for healing the sister wound, unlearning female competition, and becoming safe with one another again. “It’s so safe for me to see my sister doing something so incredible. And rather than turn on myself, I can just be like, I would like to have that with you right now.”— Natalie Chelsea names what’s at stake: as we get older and wiser, it’s soul friends only, and the coven matters more than ever. “I think I wrote in my morning pages this morning: soul friends only. SFO.”— Chelsea Then KP asks the question underneath the whole episode: If you were planted in a brand new city and knew no one but the barista, how would you call in your people? The answers include scent as a filtration system, weird backyard preschools, forest yoga, dream work at the CSA pickup, and a blindfolded scavenger hunt with no map, a magic vest, and a headlamp. “Be vulnerable and clap for people when they’re vulnerable. It is unbelievable that someone gets up and does anything vulnerable.”— Danielle KP shares the TikTok that brought twenty-two strangers to a Madison park, seated in a wheel of the year by birthday. She also tells about the Gertrude Stein tattoo that sparked a cafe conversation and went nowhere, and why that didn’t hurt the way it once would have. “I have my coven. You could have been part of it, but it’s okay that you aren’t.”— KP Chelsea and KP also tell their own origin story: a monthly Zoom tarot book club, Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom one chapter at a time, and the two quietest people in the group trusting they’d get there. “I always find who I need to find. Or everyone finds me who needs to find me.”— Chelsea “I really did not understand how fabulous you are until I met you in person.”— KP, to Chelsea There’s astrology too. Leo and Aquarius risings sit in each other’s seventh houses, which is why Danielle and Natalie are wives. Natalie translates KP’s chart into scent: cypress and frankincense for Capricorn, jasmine and sandalwood for Libra, myrrh for a Cancer Moon. We close with a live card pull that reads like it was written for this exact podcast. “Get the tattoo. Claim the people you love. Be the love letter.”— Danielle Find your teacher. Clap for everyone. Soul friends only. Key Takeaways The spreadsheet works as a sacred holding space. Ideas don’t need a how, a when, or a budget to be honored, and they tell you when it’s time. A yes is only as trustworthy as the no’s around it. Healing the sister wound means turning the reflex of comparison into inspiration. To find your people in a new place, do the slightly weird thing that’s true to you, find a teacher, risk rejection, and be vulnerable first. Teacher, friend, sister: one relationship can hold many forms, and the in-between spaces are tender. Voice memo etiquette is a practice in releasing codependency. No one is on the hook, and no one is in trouble. Cards Pulled (Cacio e Pepe Tarot) Natalie: Stew (Queen of Cups), self-assuredness born from a slow burn of tendernessChelsea: Dream Sandwich (Page of Pentacles), why are you here? You know, already, always have.Danielle: Potluck (Three of Cups), in your community you trustKP: Honey (The Hermit), a slowing that borders on solitude, where the alchemical upgrades come in Resources & Mentions Cacio e Pepe Tarot by Danielle Mainas https://www.cacioepepetarot.com/ Godseye by Natalie Rose Silva www.godseyeoils.com Sister School with Natalie and Erica: introductory weekend November 13–14, six-month program beginning 2027 Witches Confluence, San Francisco Rachel Pollack, Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom Mary K. Greer’s tarot birth card work Forest Yoga About This Podcast Parts & Charts is co-hosted by astrologer KP Kaszubowski and licensed therapist Chelsea Owens, exploring the intersection of astrology and Internal Family Systems. For those applying to grad programs in counseling: * Chelsea Owens (https://open.substack.com/users/9362340-chelsea-owens?utm_source=mentions) pulled together a deeeeeep dive into all the practical elements of this decision, for the price of a cute cafe lunch ($25) — follow this link: https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau (https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau) Chelsea’s Oracle deck, Outer Realms for Inner Archives : a collage deck shaped by exactly this work, made the way she makes images of her own parts. Pre-orders coming; this email sign-up form gets you deck news only, no spam. → subscribe here (https://chelsea-owens.kit.com/19ebf9c33a) Meet your Moon. If the Moon is the tender spot for everyone, this is the guided audio course for meeting yours as an inner figure — KP’s active-imagination approach, on your own time. ($42) → https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon (https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon) Work with Chelsea. If you’re in California and you’ve been looking for a therapist who will actually go there with you — the deep stuff, the weird stuff, the stuff you’ve never quite found the words for — Chelsea Owens is your person. Licensed therapist, Leo moon, first house everything, art supplies on every surface. She brings clinical rigor and genuine delight to the work in equal measure, which turns out to be exactly what the hard stuff needs. 👉 www.chelseaowenstherapy.com (http://www.chelseaowenstherapy.com/) Work with KP. Astrology readings (written, voice note, or live; in person if you’re in Wisconsin), Astro Parts sessions. Book Doula — a monthly retainer for people serious about making the book real. → Book Doula Waitlist: forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8 (http://forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8) Schedule a 1:1 session → https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975 (https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975) Thanks for reading Parts & Charts! This post is public so feel free to share it. 🌟 Credits Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski — performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther. Collage cover art by Chelsea Owens. Get full access to Parts & Charts at partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe (https://partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   21 Sept 2026

   44: What Is Difficult Is the Offering — Parenting, Ego Death, and Tending the Psychic Hearth with Sarah Fontaine

   “What is difficult is the offering.” —Astrologer Sarah Fontaine joins KP and Chelsea for a conversation that was supposed to be about the air element and became, instead, about conception, ego death, tormentors, and what it takes to let a life change you. Quick note: parts of the video and audio are not fully operational but the episode as a whole is here, in tact Sarah Fontaine is an astrologer working from the shores of the Pacific in San Francisco. She learned astrology as a teenager in 1990s Louisiana, where and when it was decidedly not in fashion, and has made it her work for the past nine years — a through-line she describes as a way of contacting the fabric of the universe, even though she doesn’t claim to understand why. Her readings open with a short guided meditation, move through the key themes of the birth chart and the current transits of the outer planets, and leave room for any question at all. There is no future prediction and, as she puts it on her site, no doom — the goal is the opposite of doom. She also reads for parents, caregivers, and couples, looking at the dynamics between charts rather than transits. Her spiritual ground is humility: each person is the singular expert on their own life. You don’t have to believe in astrology to get something from it; it’s a language, not a protocol. Her working life has included farming, teaching, raft guiding, abolition and prison-justice legal aid, office managing, long Buddhist retreats, and always the writing. She uses the Placidus house system. Her newsletter is called Psychic Hearth — hearth = heart + earth. www.existingtogether.com (https://www.existingtogether.com/astrologyreadings) | sf@existingtogether.com (mailto:sf@existingtogether.com) A note before the episode KP opens with a confession: the recording fell apart. Chunks of audio are gone, most of the video is gone, and the seams are marked with what she’s calling a bounce — a few bars of the theme. Her theory is that the devices got overexcited. She also uses the occasion to say something to everyone who’s been asking how to start a podcast: she and Chelsea didn’t know what they were doing either, the setup is still unsophisticated, and the only thing that has kept it going for a year and a half is that it stayed fun. Book the guests you actually want to talk to. Please make a podcast. And please be patient with the blown out audio — this might not be the episode to listen to on full blast with AirPods in tormentors — the people, often our children, who torment and mentor simultaneously, showing us precisely where we still have work. Sarah hears it as another way of saying the thing she keeps returning to: what is difficult is the offering. She traces it back through conception, pregnancy, and postpartum — a stretch she describes without euphemism as the underworld, six weeks of nausea that never lifted, an able-bodied person suddenly needing help every day, ego death a thousand times over. She is not nostalgic about it. She is grateful for it, which is a different thing. From there: the cultural expectation that you emerge from all of this looking unchanged, and why KP has come to hear “bounce back” as a theft. The absence of ritual around the two-week wait. The paradox that accepting your own limits makes you a better parent, not a worse one, because your kid gets to see a person rather than a neutral surface. Chelsea asks the question she’s asking from the other side of the decision — how do you grieve the independence? — and Sarah answers it honestly, including the part where the fear came true, and then she lived through it, and then it was fine. The astrology sharpens in the back half. Sarah’s Aquarius Moon and Capricorn rising, and the rigidity underneath Aquarius’s apparent openness: the conviction that a feeling only counts if it can be justified intellectually. KP’s read on Aquarian refusal as a positive act rather than a reflex. Sarah’s most exact aspect, Saturn square Venus — the kind of placement an older style of astrology would have handed someone as a sentence, and which she experiences instead as the site of the most pain and the most richness, but only if she engages it as that. It closes on culture-making. Sarah is tired of the washing machine of critique — she names the pull of it, and that it’s an Instagram thing, and that she doesn’t want to stop there. Her ambitions have gotten smaller and more focused: the house, the four people in it, the crucible. She’s lighting candles with her kids before the school year because she doesn’t want to wait for the culture to catch up and hand her a form. And the humblest practices — drink some water, make yourself food, put your legs up the wall — turn out to be how you court the mystery. Key Takeaways * “What is difficult is the offering.” Sarah’s central frame, and the spine of the episode. Not that life should be hard, but that difficulty is built in, and the hard places are the ones that show you the next step. The caveat is essential: it only works if you engage it as that. Otherwise it’s just suffering you’re trying to get through, followed by avoiding the next one. * A chart can open a house or close it. Sarah’s practice with her own family is to hold placements as spaciousness — a tree is a tree, Aries is Aries — rather than as knowledge about who someone is. Used well, it makes room for how radically different four people in one house actually are. * Tormentors. Chelsea’s term for the people who torment and mentor at once. Children qualify most reliably, because they expose the exact places we haven’t finished learning. * “What is mine to do” changes every year. Sarah’s codependence practice — from twelve-step work — is a daily recalibration. Newborn care is total surrender; what’s needed at three is different from four is different from seven. Overstepping, her own default, robs everyone in the family of joy and of the feeling of capacity. * The bounce-back script is a missed teaching. The cultural ideal of coming through conception, pregnancy, and birth looking unchanged treats an ego death as an interruption. KP names the rage about it; Sarah names wanting to metabolize the rage rather than live in it. * There is no ceremony for the two-week wait. One of the most vulnerable, life-reorganizing stretches a person goes through, and we spend it alone on our phones. Sarah is building in-person work — food, humming, transits, a container — for exactly these states. Not a retreat you leave your life for; a form for householders. * Independence was a brief delusion. Sarah’s account of needing help every day, having been obliviously able-bodied her whole life, and coming out the other side unconvinced that independence is a real category. What exists is the ability to navigate the world in certain ways and mistake that for self-sufficiency. * Children are fifth house, and so is everything else you make. Sarah on being a conduit rather than an author: she was pregnant, and then there was a baby, and she didn’t do anything. She reads it as a teaching about the creative process generally — which reframes the fear of losing making-time into something more interesting. * Hard aspects as invitation, not verdict. Saturn square Venus is Sarah’s most exact aspect and would have been delivered as doom in an older idiom. Her experience: a lot of pain in relationships of all kinds, and also the richest material she has. The aspect keeps returning her to the subject until she learns it. * Uncomfortable placements get resourceful. KP’s framing of the Aquarius Moon — a planet in an uncomfortable condition often has to find more resources, and over time that becomes the strength. * Aquarian rigidity hides inside Aquarian openness. Sarah on the fixed edge of it: a conviction about how a thing should be, and a feeling that’s only permitted if it can be intellectually justified. Her kids keep breaking the conceptual boxes, including the ones about how to parent and where to go to school. * Rebellion is still the thing it rebels against. Sarah’s current question: the fighting reproduces a certain kind of suffering, and the critique is compelling and easy to stay inside. So what’s the thing that isn’t either pole? Mostly, right now, it’s making the culture directly — candles, a ceremony before school, the humility of not waiting. * Courting the mystery is unglamorous. Chelsea brings back advice from a channeling workshop; Sarah lands it on the most ordinary practices she gives people in readings. Drink some water. Make yourself food. Legs up the wall. The rituals say I’m here for it. Key Quotes “What is difficult is the offering. Everything else is too, but that one is the way towards more freedom.” — Sarah Fontaine “It’s so important in this dance to not think I know anything about them because I look at their chart.” — Sarah Fontaine, on her children “Your children are your tormentors — something that’s tormenting you, but also mentoring you.” — Chelsea Owens “You wouldn’t want to be the same after grad school as you were before. So why would conception and raising a human being be you taking a vacation and going back?” — KP Kaszubowski “My tendency is to overstep and do more than is needed. And that robs everybody in the family of joy and of the feeling of capacity.” — Sarah Fontaine “There’s no such thing as independence. There’s such a thing as being able to navigate the world in certain ways and kind of think that that’s happening.” — Sarah Fontaine “I was pregnant and then I had the baby, but I didn’t do anything... I was a conduit for that life. And I feel like that’s the creative process.” — Sarah Fontaine “Those places that feel hard, they push us or they guide us or they invite us to that place over and over to really learn about it. But only if I engage with it as that.” — Sarah Fontaine, on Saturn square Venus “Rebelling is just another side of following. They’re the same thing.” — Sarah Fontaine “I don’t want to wait until the culture catches up to have something to offer me... We make the culture. So let’s make it.” — Sarah Fontaine “I’ve lost the plot when I think that it’s a burden to go get food to cook for myself and my family.” — Sarah Fontaine “What if I naturally was someone who needed to say no less?” — KP Kaszubowski Resources & Links * Sarah Fontaine / Existing Together — existingtogether.com (https://www.existingtogether.com/astrologyreadings). Astrology readings for individuals, parents and caregivers, and couples. Not on Instagram. * Psychic Hearth — Sarah’s newsletter, and a phrase she uses in this episode for the practice itself. Sign up at existingtogether.com/psychic-hearth (https://www.existingtogether.com/psychic-hearth). * Stephen Jenkinson, Die Wise: A Manifesto for Sanity and Soul — the book Sarah is currently obsessed with, on how a death-phobic culture leaves us untrained for dying. She reads it as equally true of birth. * Rupert Spira — non-dual teacher, source of the line Sarah quotes: we are verbs more than nouns. * Andrea Gibson, “Tincture” * “Chop wood, carry water.” — the Zen instruction that got KP through a long stretch of unemployment, once she stopped trying to out-apply it. About This Podcast Parts & Charts is co-hosted by astrologer KP Kaszubowski and licensed therapist Chelsea Owens, exploring the intersection of astrology and Internal Family Systems. For those applying to grad programs in counseling: * Chelsea Owens (https://open.substack.com/users/9362340-chelsea-owens?utm_source=mentions) pulled together a deeeeeep dive into all the practical elements of this decision, for the price of a cute cafe lunch ($25) — follow this link: https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau (https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau) Chelsea’s Oracle deck, Outer Realms for Inner Archives : a collage deck shaped by exactly this work, made the way she makes images of her own parts. Pre-orders coming; this email sign-up form gets you deck news only, no spam. → subscribe here (https://chelsea-owens.kit.com/19ebf9c33a) Meet your Moon. If the Moon is the tender spot for everyone, this is the guided audio course for meeting yours as an inner figure — KP’s active-imagination approach, on your own time. ($42) → https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon (https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon) Work with Chelsea. If you’re in California and you’ve been looking for a therapist who will actually go there with you — the deep stuff, the weird stuff, the stuff you’ve never quite found the words for — Chelsea Owens is your person. Licensed therapist, Leo moon, first house everything, art supplies on every surface. She brings clinical rigor and genuine delight to the work in equal measure, which turns out to be exactly what the hard stuff needs. 👉 www.chelseaowenstherapy.com (http://www.chelseaowenstherapy.com/) Work with KP. Astrology readings (written, voice note, or live; in person if you’re in Wisconsin), Astro Parts sessions. Book Doula — a monthly retainer for people serious about making the book real. → Book Doula Waitlist: forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8 (http://forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8) Schedule a 1:1 session → https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975 (https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975) Thanks for reading Parts & Charts! This post is public so feel free to share it. 🌟 Credits Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski — performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther. Collage cover art by Chelsea Owens. Get full access to Parts & Charts at partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe (https://partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   7 Sept 2026

   43: Your Planets Aren't Broken - Astrology Meets IFS with Jo O'Neill

   "Planets in cadent houses can be the most talented in the world and good at what they do, but it's like they're several blocks away down an alleyway, by the dumpster." —Astrologer Jo O'Neill (Jo Maker of Ways) joins KP and Chelsea to ask what astrology's "afflicted" placements and IFS's exiled parts actually have in common. Be sure to subscribe here on Substack and follow — available on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/parts-charts-the-ifs-and-astrology-podcast/id1819784738), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/2iR7QcdimkXeGQ0HPTl14M), and wherever you get your podcasts. Parts & Charts is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Jo O'Neill (https://substack.com/profile/28113575-jo-oneill) (she/they) is an astrologer, writer, and 12th house specialist who believes the Story in your chart is always the perfect Story for you to read. Through her signature combination of Hellenistic technique and storytelling, Waymaking, Jo’s goal is to highlight the nuance and multiplicity inside every person’s chart and reenchant their world in the process. www.jomakerofways.com (http://www.jomakerofways.com/) | ig: Jo O'Neill (https://substack.com/profile/28113575-jo-oneill) Episode Summary An experimental three-way conversation: KP and Chelsea bring in astrologer Jo O’Neill (Jo Maker of Ways) to explore whether the astrological concepts of essential dignity (specifically planets in detriment and fall) have anything to say to IFS’s concept of the exile. Jo walks through detriment/fall as “unconventional” rather than deficient resourcing, then the three trace parallels through angularity (visibility/volume in the chart), house rulership, and the idea of approaching a placement, like a part, with curiosity instead of assumption. The conversation moves through Jo’s narrative and oracular “way-making” method of speaking to planets as characters, Saturn’s recurring role as an over-functioning protector archetype, and how a person’s relationship to placements like Saturn can shift with time and age. Chelsea grounds the exchange throughout with the clinical IFS frame, defining exiles and protectors, and naming how convincingly a protective belief can pass as truth until the system feels safe enough to test it. KP closes by naming the throughline of the show so far: astrological literacy makes IFS work more specific, and IFS work makes astrological placements legible as lived experience rather than data points. Key Takeaways * Detriment and fall ≠ “bad.” Jo reframes these essential-dignity conditions as a planet being unconventionally resourced rather than poorly resourced, like being far from home and having to improvise with unfamiliar tools, which often produces creative skill sets a well-resourced planet wouldn’t need to develop. * Fall is generally the more difficult condition of the two, functionally, the inverse not just of being “at home” (domicile) but of being an honored guest (exaltation). Jo notes this varies by planet: Mercury tends to adapt easily even in detriment/fall; Mars tends to struggle more (e.g., anger that’s hard to access or that turns inward). * Angularity is about volume and visibility, not power. Planets in angular houses (1st, 4th, 7th, 10th) are easily seen/heard regardless of resourcing; planets in cadent or “dark” houses (12th, 8th, 6th, 3rd, 9th) can be just as capable but structurally harder to notice, which Jo connects directly to the IFS concept of the exile. * House rulership may matter more than placement. A planet ruling a “dark” house (especially the 12th) often takes on an editorial/gatekeeping role, deciding what gets shown to the world, which can map onto protector dynamics. * Saturn recurs as a protector archetype across the conversation; frequently the planet making unilateral decisions to guard other, more tender placements, often with an edge of harshness that softens once its underlying protective reasoning is understood. * The methodological point, stated plainly by KP near the end: data and technique only go so far. The value is in application (meditation, narrative work, active imagination, painting, dancing) actually meeting a placement rather than assigning meaning to it in advance. * Time changes the relationship. Jo pushes back on language like “evolved” or “unevolved” placements, but affirms that lived experience, especially through repeated Saturn transits/returns, visibly changes how someone relates to a difficult placement. * Jo’s “way-making” method: narrative/oracular work that meets planets as characters in an imaginal story (rather than applying meaning from outside), including asking a planet directly what its job is and what it would do with unstructured time. Key Quotes “It’s less that they’re ill-resourced or poorly resourced, and more that they’re unconventionally resourced.” — Jo O’Neill, on planets in detriment/fall “The most exily of all, I think... you are the — people don’t like you here. They don’t want you here.” — Jo O’Neill, on planets in fall “Angular houses... it’s like those planets are in the village square up on a platform with a microphone. Planets in cadent houses... they can be the most talented in the world and good at what they do, but it’s like they’re several blocks away down an alleyway, by the dumpster.” — Jo O’Neill, on angularity as visibility “We shouldn’t be assuming we know people that we don’t know and what they need until we talk to them. I treat the planets the same way.” — Jo O’Neill “At a point, the data is not gonna do anything for you... until you apply it.” — KP Kaszubowski “Our parts are pretty much — consciously or unconsciously — doing such a good job at what they’re doing, which is protecting us.” — Chelsea Owens Resources & Links * Jo O’Neill / Jo Maker of Ways — Instagram: @jomakerofways www.jomakerofways.com * Jo’s Substack Waymaking Chronicles (https://open.substack.com/pub/jomakerofways) — monthly live mini chart readings for paid subscribers * Upcoming: a Venus retrograde “way-making” cohort through Jo’s Substack About This Podcast Parts & Charts is co-hosted by astrologer KP Kaszubowski and licensed therapist Chelsea Owens, exploring the intersection of astrology and Internal Family Systems. For those applying to grad programs in counseling: * Chelsea Owens (https://open.substack.com/users/9362340-chelsea-owens?utm_source=mentions) pulled together a deeeeeep dive into all the practical elements of this decision, for the price of a cute cafe lunch ($25) — follow this link: https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau (https://chelseawow.gumroad.com/l/bfbiau) Chelsea’s Oracle deck, Outer Realms for Inner Archives : a collage deck shaped by exactly this work, made the way she makes images of her own parts. Pre-orders coming; this email sign-up form gets you deck news only, no spam. → subscribe here (https://chelsea-owens.kit.com/19ebf9c33a) Meet your Moon. If the Moon is the tender spot for everyone, this is the guided audio course for meeting yours as an inner figure — KP’s active-imagination approach, on your own time. ($42) → https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon (https://kpkaszu.gumroad.com/l/meetyourmoon) Work with Chelsea. If you’re in California and you’ve been looking for a therapist who will actually go there with you — the deep stuff, the weird stuff, the stuff you’ve never quite found the words for — Chelsea Owens is your person. Licensed therapist, Leo moon, first house everything, art supplies on every surface. She brings clinical rigor and genuine delight to the work in equal measure, which turns out to be exactly what the hard stuff needs. 👉 www.chelseaowenstherapy.com (http://www.chelseaowenstherapy.com/) Work with KP. Astrology readings (written, voice note, or live; in person if you’re in Wisconsin), Astro Parts sessions. Book Doula — a monthly retainer for people serious about making the book real. → Book Doula Waitlist: forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8 (http://forms.gle/3LwpmAinnBN2Q4aY8) Schedule a 1:1 session → https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975 (https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22372975) Thanks for reading Parts & Charts! This post is public so feel free to share it. 🌟 Credits Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski — performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther. Collage cover art by Chelsea Owens. Get full access to Parts & Charts at partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe (https://partsandcharts.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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